Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+May 10 2005, 03:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ May 10 2005, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fine. I'll change it to <b>Hellfire</b> as a neutral vote. My posistion remains unchanged however. There is some high calibre trickery afoot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You aint wrong there.
This is the first experience of a fake seer ploy in the games on these forums, and believe me it is confusing the hell out of those 'networked' players.
What makes is worse is the confusion is stemming from a fake seer ploy concocted by a HUMAN.
If the wolves launched this, they would be applauded after game for an impressive play.
After this game the Human who started this (Saltzbad) should be shot, but thats purely for my sanity!!
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you missed my vote for badkarma im_lost <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited May 2005
I'm praying the Seer asks for me tonite, to proove once and for all I'm human. Being I was at work yesterday, I couldn't get on and play. But I'm trusting Saltz, because while he pulled some odd moves, I don't think this is a 4 layer cross.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--QuoteBegin-ZeroByte+May 10 2005, 09:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZeroByte @ May 10 2005, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Man.. that would be a mind fark. 4 way double cross. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...wow.
You know what? I'm not so sure now about SaltzBad. This is driving me nucking futz. I'm going to go with a neutral vote for myself until I get this whole thing sorted out. I'm really not so sure a human would do something so confusing. It's just not to our benefit damnit. So for now, I vote <b>ZeroByte</b>
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<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+May 10 2005, 02:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ May 10 2005, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There is no evidence behind my suspicion of snidely, you know when you just dont like someone?
Well thats how i feel about snidely's personality in this game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
):}
Anyway. My vote for BadKarma comes down to this:<ul><li>Sky pointed to him in his post, when quoting the unnamed source. <i>("My suspicions for the wolves are strong on Quaunaut, Freak83 and BadKarma.")</i></li><li>BadKarma's strange reaction to Saltz.</li></ul>Unless both parties (Sky vs. Saltz) here are being played, we have an overlap.
It's also down to the fact that Saltz hasn't explained himself in full yet. I may change back to Sky, depending on the evidence provided. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> @ Snidely : This quote from sky's text is the PM that I sent him. Those are my opinions, and they are relatively similar now, thats who i suspected on day 1!!
You are going for a wolf based on MY SUSPICIONS.
Those are not sky's suspicions, so dont vote on whether you believe sky ideas. I dont know who sky believes to be wolves.
Just wanted to clear that up. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
And just to explain why i was overlapping, its because i was networked with both sky and saltz until i could find the real seer, which is my job as a psychic. When lolfighter then came out and said he had a seer, i then thought there were 3 seers on the scene, but it turned out mine and skys seer were the same person, relief, then we discover lolfighters seer was also saltzbad.
Where the hell did that leave me? 3 different networks i had linked up with all run by one person.
Now i dont know who is telling the truth. I now fear i will get lynch by a switch vote lead by saltz and sky. That way i will not be able to give out the pyschic report. Tonight they will wolf the guardian and then lead the wolves to victory by outnumbering the humans.
Thats what i think. Until someone can tell me anything different, that is what i will believe. Speak to me people i need to know what is going on.
I assumed he at least shared your suspicions. If it was just an example of networking, then yeah, I've got nothing to stand on. (Well, even less to stand on.) If BK's in danger of being voted off, then I'll change.
There was no real Sky network. Sky tried to ride my false seer gambit and turn it against me - since he knew I couldn't be a seer after contacting him (he might have even tried to false seer a few of the unnetworked ones to gain some support base). I'll give you the log of our first conversation once I get home, its pretty incriminating in itself <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Anyway, if I were actually a wolf, humans would be lost already - since I have the vital information pertaining to all 3 roles, including even the real seerings. I'll grant you its a relatively complex plot whose intricacies only make sense if you can get the actual names involved, which requires you to be an absolutely confirmed human (or smart enough to discern fact from fiction) - but its not too incredible to believe that after being confirmed human, I'm going to be telling nothing but the truth.
If you're still crazy enough to not believe me, I'll paste my [name removed] PMs to the gaurdian the night before. I actually asked him to not gaurd me, but gaurd the psychic instead.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't gaurd me - gaurd [Psychic]. Unless he's just a fake, I have the sneaking suspicion he's given himself away to at least one wolf.
On the same note, I've got a bit of legacy PM for you. In case of my untimely demise tonight, post the following several hours into the day. Wait til at least 3 of my legacy PMs have been posted, or preferrably until necessity arises :
I give you 7, find the wrong 4 and 1 is given to you. Add the clues, find the obvious, take him first.
7-8-9-10-12-16-17. Silence is deadly. <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
I'm lost can help you with the decoding should you be absolutely clueless, but really I've only wrote this in code so you would have an easy time getting credibility during daytime - your portion is essentially a decoder.
I'll explain it to you come daybreak, I'm too tired now. Should I not be alive anymore then, it will explain itself with the following tidbit :The letters before message 12, 16, 17 are meaningless. Replace them with "SEER". Keep this final part of the message to yourself - it will tell you who to trust without my aid.
Don't worry, the puzzling is pretty minor. The Night 2 PM was alot harder <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Decode this information for yourself. Under no circumstances post it. Ask imlost about it if you need help - but only if I'm actually dead. Should I not die, don't speak about it.
Also, was Kerotan a wolf? This isn't a trick question, I know what you are. If I were a wolf, you'd be long dead.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In answer to your question, i am working for the psychic, i am not the psychic, but proved myself to him by being an idiotic newb!!
While we're on the topic of sharing pleasant but unrefined information : The numbers you got represent a list of possible wolves, with only one possible occlusion - 3. Look at the first page of the thread if you don't see how they relate to names.
lolfighter is the person you should be trusting most right now - along with HF3k and Freak83. Snidely, Sky, imlost and BadKarma would be my guesses for most likely wolves - maybe not Snidely as much as BadKarma.
Also, you've been seered by me and confirmed human. I'll provide more indepth explanation later (or via the legacy PMs, depending on my dumb luck) - also try using the irc channel #tsaaw torch (+sk, don't worry) to meet up with them. Just tell them I seered you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's starting to look more and more like Saltz is the way to go. I'm having a hard time believing that all of this is down to a wolf dupe. If that in fact the case, then so be it. I might as well start trusting here.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+May 10 2005, 08:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ May 10 2005, 08:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm praying the Seer asks for me tonite, to proove once and for all I'm human. Being I was at work yesterday, I couldn't get on and play. But I'm trusting Saltz, because while he pulled some odd moves, I don't think this is a 4 layer cross.
<b>Sky</b>
lolfighter - 1 (Sky) Sky - 6 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, ZeroByte) BadKarma - 3 (Snidely, Pithlit, Soul Rider) Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller) Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor) Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That is Quaunaut's vote, page 21. He voted, changed the number of votes for Sky, but didn't add his name.
yeah, just saw it, sorry <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> i was confused since it wasn´t in the laste few votecharts
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
OK, I am now going to make a stand. Tonight i am going to either confirm or destry a network. My vote is moving to <b>Sky</b>.
Either he goes down tonight and i get a PM saying there are 3 wolves tonight, and we start to celebrate, or i get a PM saying there are 4 wolves left, and i cry in fear.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
Ahh but you put up the correct one <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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You aint wrong there.
This is the first experience of a fake seer ploy in the games on these forums, and believe me it is confusing the hell out of those 'networked' players.
What makes is worse is the confusion is stemming from a fake seer ploy concocted by a HUMAN.
If the wolves launched this, they would be applauded after game for an impressive play.
After this game the Human who started this (Saltzbad) should be shot, but thats purely for my sanity!!
lolfighter - 1 (Sky)
Sky - 5 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, ZeroByte)
BadKarma - 3 (Snidely, Pithlit, Soul Rider)
Hellfire3k - 2 (Planetkiller, BadKarma)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Instalynch at 8
Stupid votes changing every 15 minutes. I hope I got it right this time.
<b>Sky</b>
lolfighter - 1 (Sky)
Sky - 6 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, ZeroByte)
BadKarma - 3 (Snidely, Pithlit, Soul Rider)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma)
...wow.
A mind fark?
Wow. Thats like a 6 cross with that word.
lolfighter - 1 (Sky)
Sky - 5 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k)
BadKarma - 3 (Snidely, Pithlit, Soul Rider)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma)
ZeroByte - 1 (ZeroByte)
Well thats how i feel about snidely's personality in this game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
):}
Anyway. My vote for BadKarma comes down to this:<ul><li>Sky pointed to him in his post, when quoting the unnamed source. <i>("My suspicions for the wolves are strong on Quaunaut, Freak83 and BadKarma.")</i></li><li>BadKarma's strange reaction to Saltz.</li></ul>Unless both parties (Sky vs. Saltz) here are being played, we have an overlap.
It's also down to the fact that Saltz hasn't explained himself in full yet. I may change back to Sky, depending on the evidence provided. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
@ Snidely : This quote from sky's text is the PM that I sent him. Those are my opinions, and they are relatively similar now, thats who i suspected on day 1!!
You are going for a wolf based on MY SUSPICIONS.
Those are not sky's suspicions, so dont vote on whether you believe sky ideas. I dont know who sky believes to be wolves.
Just wanted to clear that up. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Where the hell did that leave me? 3 different networks i had linked up with all run by one person.
Now i dont know who is telling the truth. I now fear i will get lynch by a switch vote lead by saltz and sky. That way i will not be able to give out the pyschic report. Tonight they will wolf the guardian and then lead the wolves to victory by outnumbering the humans.
Thats what i think. Until someone can tell me anything different, that is what i will believe. Speak to me people i need to know what is going on.
Anyway, if I were actually a wolf, humans would be lost already - since I have the vital information pertaining to all 3 roles, including even the real seerings. I'll grant you its a relatively complex plot whose intricacies only make sense if you can get the actual names involved, which requires you to be an absolutely confirmed human (or smart enough to discern fact from fiction) - but its not too incredible to believe that after being confirmed human, I'm going to be telling nothing but the truth.
If you're still crazy enough to not believe me, I'll paste my [name removed] PMs to the gaurdian the night before. I actually asked him to not gaurd me, but gaurd the psychic instead.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't gaurd me - gaurd [Psychic]. Unless he's just a fake, I have the sneaking suspicion he's given himself away to at least one wolf.
On the same note, I've got a bit of legacy PM for you. In case of my untimely demise tonight, post the following several hours into the day. Wait til at least 3 of my legacy PMs have been posted, or preferrably until necessity arises :
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->
I give you 7, find the wrong 4 and 1 is given to you. Add the clues, find the obvious, take him first.
7-8-9-10-12-16-17. Silence is deadly.
<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
I'm lost can help you with the decoding should you be absolutely clueless, but really I've only wrote this in code so you would have an easy time getting credibility during daytime - your portion is essentially a decoder.
I'll explain it to you come daybreak, I'm too tired now. Should I not be alive anymore then, it will explain itself with the following tidbit :The letters before message 12, 16, 17 are meaningless. Replace them with "SEER". Keep this final part of the message to yourself - it will tell you who to trust without my aid.
Don't worry, the puzzling is pretty minor. The Night 2 PM was alot harder <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I need anymore credibility, you guys can go ahead and post the legacy PMs you received. The cat is officially out of the bag now.
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->17-10-9-8-12-7-16. Silence is deadly.
<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
Also, was Kerotan a wolf? This isn't a trick question, I know what you are. If I were a wolf, you'd be long dead.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In answer to your question, i am working for the psychic, i am not the psychic, but proved myself to him by being an idiotic newb!!
Kerotan was not a wolf, they are all still alive.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
While we're on the topic of sharing pleasant but unrefined information :
The numbers you got represent a list of possible wolves, with only one possible occlusion - 3. Look at the first page of the thread if you don't see how they relate to names.
lolfighter is the person you should be trusting most right now - along with HF3k and Freak83. Snidely, Sky, imlost and BadKarma would be my guesses for most likely wolves - maybe not Snidely as much as BadKarma.
Also, you've been seered by me and confirmed human. I'll provide more indepth explanation later (or via the legacy PMs, depending on my dumb luck) - also try using the irc channel #tsaaw torch (+sk, don't worry) to meet up with them. Just tell them I seered you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Sky</b>.
lolfighter - 1 (Sky)
Sky - 6 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, Snidely)
BadKarma - 3 (Snidely, Pithlit, Soul Rider)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma)
ZeroByte - 1 (ZeroByte)
If that in fact the case, then it's a well deserved win for the wolves.
<b>Sky</b>.
lolfighter - 1 (Sky)
Sky - 6 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, Snidely)
BadKarma - 2 (Pithlit, Soul Rider)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma)
ZeroByte - 1 (ZeroByte)
lolfighter - 1 (Sky)
Sky - 6 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, Snidely, Quaunaut)
BadKarma - 2 (Pithlit, Soul Rider)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma)
ZeroByte - 1 (ZeroByte)
Quaunaut changed the number for Sky's votes without adding his name, screwed up everyone after him. lolfighter still needs to vote.
It's not been a good day.
<b>Sky</b>
lolfighter - 1 (Sky)
Sky - 6 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, ZeroByte)
BadKarma - 3 (Snidely, Pithlit, Soul Rider)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is Quaunaut's vote, page 21. He voted, changed the number of votes for Sky, but didn't add his name.
i was confused since it wasn´t in the laste few votecharts
Either he goes down tonight and i get a PM saying there are 3 wolves tonight, and we start to celebrate, or i get a PM saying there are 4 wolves left, and i cry in fear.
It is time to make our minds up.
Sky - 7 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, ZeroByte, Quaunaut, Soul Rider)
BadKarma - 2 (Snidely, Pithlit)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma) [/QUOTE]
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
New Totals
Sky - 7 (Saltzbad, Freak83, im lost, Hellfire3k, Snidely, Quaunaut, Soul Rider)
BadKarma - 1 (Pithlit,)
Hellfire3k - 1 (Planetkiller)
Quaunaut - 1 (Xentor)
Planetkiller - 1 (Badkarma)
ZeroByte - 1 (ZeroByte)
One more one more is all it needs.