Ive never really been "into" the clan community, but for all I've experienced/believe, the clan scene is slowly dying out because NS is so incredibly limited in what you can do. Nearly every single clan does the same tactics, the same maps, the same strategy, over, and over, and over again. It gets boring after a while, at least for me, your average "not-too-serious-pubber-who-wants-to-try-something-new"
Also, while I do enjoy playing in pcw's (scrims? for the Americans), I feel the fun is based more on the fact that you play together with a bunch of online friends, if you'd like to call your clanmates that, slowly trying to accomplish something together, by practising together, rather than NS itself, with all the gameplay flaws which leaves much to be desired.
<!--QuoteBegin-Xaajeh+Jun 25 2004, 11:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xaajeh @ Jun 25 2004, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I myself stay clear of the competitive scene with any game that is severely "jacked up".
Too many scripters, bunny hoppers, ESP'ers... too many balance issues (read: marine pwn). Too many cool elements removed from the game, probably because of stability/lag issues. But still... if fun value drops, what's the point?
Too many new retarded maps. Too many changes to good old maps.
Public play stinks now. Too many new players, too many young players. Learning curve for aliens is too demanding (judging by how many people I see day after day wandering around doing sh|t). Too many lame **** admins making up their own special server rules (no blocking elevators, etc..). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And too many people too negative about too many things. Seriously people, if you hate the game so much, leave. Go post in whatever games forums you currently play. Leave us in our dillusional fantasy thinking this is the best game ever made. Why spoil it for us?
<!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+Jun 25 2004, 06:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Jun 25 2004, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Second, again we see the more experienced players saying that the pubbers shouldn't whine if they get owned by someone above their skill level. My question is why is the person of a superior skill level in the game deliberately screwing about? People don't play games to get destroyed. Losing is fine, because if you're losing you're also LEARNING. And again there is a world of difference between tagging a fade with one shot before he swipes you and one fade wiping out a room of marines without a scratch. In one scenario you've learned to be faster on the draw, in the other scenario you've learned nothing.
... If you can't play "pub style", clear off? If you get your jollies from beating on people worse off than yourself then I wish you a happy life. When I was seriously into my tabletop games I had no joy from thrashing lower ranking opponents. There was no challenge, and no pride in saying "oh i beat little johnny by 400 points". It meant nothing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> bravo necrosis, well said, well said.
<!--QuoteBegin-shanks+Jun 25 2004, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shanks @ Jun 25 2004, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> -- a big juicy graphics card at the end shouldn't be the incentive <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> at this rate the winners of the tournament will be trading those juicy graphics cards for cartons of eggs
<!--QuoteBegin-mebrillo+Jun 26 2004, 01:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mebrillo @ Jun 26 2004, 01:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-shanks+Jun 25 2004, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shanks @ Jun 25 2004, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> -- a big juicy graphics card at the end shouldn't be the incentive <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> at this rate the winners of the tournament will be trading those juicy graphics cards for cartons of eggs
am I funny yet <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> WHO UNBANNED HIM?
If good clanners aren't supposed to pub, where are they supposed to play NS Necrosis...? They can't only play in scrims, and it's not fair to banish them from pubs because they are 'too good'. I know if I got a chance to play/pub with any CAL-I player in CS, I'd take it in an instant because you can watch what they do and improve (I'm not very good at CS but its fun sometimes).
<!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Jun 26 2004, 06:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Jun 26 2004, 06:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I was going to type something really long. But yeah. NS is dead.
I was also going to make an "unless" list, but all signs point to dying.
Too bad, really. Such a beautiful game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> D:!
I agree. Though as long as there are some people playing, I'll still be. I feel it's the best multiplayer experience that can be had, at a clan level. The teamwork is surgical. Every moment is critical, the co-ordination required to be successful is intense.
Well, I think that once Flayra is settled down and got his internet working beta5 with LOTS of bugfixes and hopefully the BUS will be released. Lets hope he throw in some great balancechanges and we have a winner.
I also think that once NS becomes and official game the players, and clans, will rise drastically.
Im going for a 2 weeks vacation tomorrow, and I do think that beta5 will be released when Im back.
The day CAL NS dies because of lack of intrest is the day NS will be hurt most, which could really happen at this point. Otherwise, NS is here to stay, we have enough people to play, we will play.
<!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jun 26 2004, 08:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jun 26 2004, 08:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also think that once NS becomes and official game the players, and clans, will rise drastically.
As an alternative to CAL, I am the owner UKNSL [#uknsl on Q Net][ <a href='http://www.uknsl.burstfire.net' target='_blank'>UKNSL</a>] . UKNSL Is renound for being the best league however not finishing seasons due to the old heads not having time. However now i have stepped in. UKNSL is an alternative to Clanbase, i was asked to run it because people pmed me on IRC saying they hated CB NS so could i start UKNSL, so i did.
Started UKNSL, with sponsership from Burstfire.net for gameservers for the matches to be played on. However these were underpreforming due to the CPU extensiveness on the servers.
Within the first week of starting the league, 3 clans had split. Great.... Nice way to start a league i thought. =/
We are now into the second week, with another 2 clans seeming like they have folded. Therefore things are slowly shrinking. We only did a small season, because we just wanted to raise awareness that we are back. However with the carry on of the EU Clans folding, it appears we are not going to be around for a second season as things in the EU rapidly deteriorate.
My insite to why things aint working : 1. NS Is far too costly on clans. Clanservers for NS are 4 times the price of CS Ones, as it is CPU instensive. 2. Players arent coming because you need a decent computer to run the game itself, as laggy conditions aint the best to play under at all. 3. The competitive side of NS has just turned into bitchyness. Clans all thinking their the best, and therefore being cocky and arrogant about thing, meaning people dont sit around long, as the community generally isnt nice. Thats my insite to the EU side of things, and why it is failing. I dont go on GameSurge and go to the american clans rooms, therefore i know nothing about them.
Jas [UKNSL Head Admin, Jason@ukns.org #UKNSL on Qnet] [ns.pcw Natural Selection War Channel on Qnet] [Skulkrush-community Admin] [#NSsource Admin] [#intrepid.ns]
<!--QuoteBegin-Jas0+Jun 26 2004, 06:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jas0 @ Jun 26 2004, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hmm Interesting post so far.
As an alternative to CAL, I am the owner UKNSL [#uknsl on Q Net][ <a href='http://www.uknsl.burstfire.net' target='_blank'>UKNSL</a>] . UKNSL Is renound for being the best league however not finishing seasons due to the old heads not having time. However now i have stepped in. UKNSL is an alternative to Clanbase, i was asked to run it because people pmed me on IRC saying they hated CB NS so could i start UKNSL, so i did.
Started UKNSL, with sponsership from Burstfire.net for gameservers for the matches to be played on. However these were underpreforming due to the CPU extensiveness on the servers.
Within the first week of starting the league, 3 clans had split. Great.... Nice way to start a league i thought. =/
We are now into the second week, with another 2 clans seeming like they have folded. Therefore things are slowly shrinking. We only did a small season, because we just wanted to raise awareness that we are back. However with the carry on of the EU Clans folding, it appears we are not going to be around for a second season as things in the EU rapidly deteriorate.
My insite to why things aint working : 1. NS Is far too costly on clans. Clanservers for NS are 4 times the price of CS Ones, as it is CPU instensive. 2. Players arent coming because you need a decent computer to run the game itself, as laggy conditions aint the best to play under at all. 3. The competitive side of NS has just turned into bitchyness. Clans all thinking their the best, and therefore being cocky and arrogant about thing, meaning people dont sit around long, as the community generally isnt nice. Thats my insite to the EU side of things, and why it is failing. I dont go on GameSurge and go to the american clans rooms, therefore i know nothing about them.
Jas [UKNSL Head Admin, Jason@ukns.org #UKNSL on Qnet] [ns.pcw Natural Selection War Channel on Qnet] [Skulkrush-community Admin] [#NSsource Admin] [#intrepid.ns] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Advertiser <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But yeh the EU clanning sucks major <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif' /><!--endemo--> I don't know why the dev's pt's whatever don't say **** what's gonna happen but they prolly have their reasons. NS is getting boring :<
<!--QuoteBegin-Impy_The_Lerk+Jun 26 2004, 10:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Impy_The_Lerk @ Jun 26 2004, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Jmmsbnd007+Jun 23 2004, 11:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jmmsbnd007 @ Jun 23 2004, 11:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Jun 23 2004, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Jun 23 2004, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> exigent isn't dying. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I know, misinformation on my part, but the rest still is true... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> everything dies... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Does that mean we should sit back and say "Oh well, better luck next time"?
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
I think a lot of people are failing to appreciate just how much of the market newer (BF1942, MOHAA, CoD for example) and other, new, non-WW2 themed games are taking up of the available player pool. To have this many players at this stage in HLs lifecycle, with HL2 allegedly arriving sometime soon in the next geological epoch, isn't bad going. Some of us have been playing HL mods for three or four years. That's a long time and I know many people have moved onto fresher pastures.
Also there's so much speculation over the future of NS, it is pretty hard to get fired up to compete at a game that will probably not be here in 12 months time or at least will be significantly altered.
believe me if we could scrim all the time we would, and sometimes i don't feel like pugging and its late at night so we join PUBLIC servers
and why should I play ns if i just do it so i can purposely suck, (even though i do it on accident sometimes tbh, gg walker fades), honestly one of my favorite pubs is Specialst Army's -- none of them complain and they spec me sometimes to learn something.
They wont learn anything by me letting them kill me, they'll learn something by me killing them so they wont make the same mistake again
I'm sorry you happen to be one of the pubbers i kill all the time
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Jun 26 2004, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Jun 26 2004, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think a lot of people are failing to appreciate just how much of the market newer (BF1942, MOHAA, CoD for example) and other, new, non-WW2 themed games are taking up of the available player pool. To have this many players at this stage in HLs lifecycle, with HL2 allegedly arriving sometime soon in the next geological epoch, isn't bad going. Some of us have been playing HL mods for three or four years. That's a long time and I know many people have moved onto fresher pastures.
Also there's so much speculation over the future of NS, it is pretty hard to get fired up to compete at a game that will probably not be here in 12 months time or at least will be significantly altered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Now that's negative.
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Jun 26 2004, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Jun 26 2004, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also there's so much speculation over the future of NS, it is pretty hard to get fired up to compete at a game that will probably not be here in 12 months time or at least will be significantly altered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because you won't win a cookie for being good at NS in 12 months? Nobody gives a crap anyway.
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I see vets in other games romp pubs and no one gets so angry they decide to quit the game. They actually strive to become better.
Also, if KSharp was to join a random pub I'm sure the people on there would feel privilaged to play with someone so talented.
Instead on NS servers a good clanner joins the game and gets blamed for ruining it.
Again, two things come to mine
1. Newbies whine, veterans adapt (this is a lot older than Firewaters sig btw)
<a href='http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm' target='_blank'>2.</a>
Also, while I do enjoy playing in pcw's (scrims? for the Americans), I feel the fun is based more on the fact that you play together with a bunch of online friends, if you'd like to call your clanmates that, slowly trying to accomplish something together, by practising together, rather than NS itself, with all the gameplay flaws which leaves much to be desired.
Too many scripters, bunny hoppers, ESP'ers... too many balance issues (read: marine pwn). Too many cool elements removed from the game, probably because of stability/lag issues. But still... if fun value drops, what's the point?
Too many new retarded maps. Too many changes to good old maps.
Public play stinks now. Too many new players, too many young players. Learning curve for aliens is too demanding (judging by how many people I see day after day wandering around doing sh|t). Too many lame **** admins making up their own special server rules (no blocking elevators, etc..).
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And too many people too negative about too many things. Seriously people, if you hate the game so much, leave. Go post in whatever games forums you currently play. Leave us in our dillusional fantasy thinking this is the best game ever made. Why spoil it for us?
...
If you can't play "pub style", clear off? If you get your jollies from beating on people worse off than yourself then I wish you a happy life. When I was seriously into my tabletop games I had no joy from thrashing lower ranking opponents. There was no challenge, and no pride in saying "oh i beat little johnny by 400 points". It meant nothing.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
bravo necrosis, well said, well said.
at this rate the winners of the tournament will be trading those juicy graphics cards for cartons of eggs
am I funny yet
at this rate the winners of the tournament will be trading those juicy graphics cards for cartons of eggs
am I funny yet <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
WHO UNBANNED HIM?
I was also going to make an "unless" list, but all signs point to dying.
Too bad, really. Such a beautiful game.
I was also going to make an "unless" list, but all signs point to dying.
Too bad, really. Such a beautiful game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
D:!
I agree. Though as long as there are some people playing, I'll still be. I feel it's the best multiplayer experience that can be had, at a clan level. The teamwork is surgical. Every moment is critical, the co-ordination required to be successful is intense.
I also think that once NS becomes and official game the players, and clans, will rise drastically.
Im going for a 2 weeks vacation tomorrow, and I do think that beta5 will be released when Im back.
ns <3
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HL2 + Doom3 = LOL HALF-LIFE(plus its mods) LOL
As an alternative to CAL, I am the owner UKNSL [#uknsl on Q Net][ <a href='http://www.uknsl.burstfire.net' target='_blank'>UKNSL</a>] . UKNSL Is renound for being the best league however not finishing seasons due to the old heads not having time. However now i have stepped in.
UKNSL is an alternative to Clanbase, i was asked to run it because people pmed me on IRC saying they hated CB NS so could i start UKNSL, so i did.
Started UKNSL, with sponsership from Burstfire.net for gameservers for the matches to be played on. However these were underpreforming due to the CPU extensiveness on the servers.
Within the first week of starting the league, 3 clans had split. Great.... Nice way to start a league i thought. =/
We are now into the second week, with another 2 clans seeming like they have folded. Therefore things are slowly shrinking. We only did a small season, because we just wanted to raise awareness that we are back. However with the carry on of the EU Clans folding, it appears we are not going to be around for a second season as things in the EU rapidly deteriorate.
My insite to why things aint working : 1. NS Is far too costly on clans. Clanservers for NS are 4 times the price of CS Ones, as it is CPU instensive. 2. Players arent coming because you need a decent computer to run the game itself, as laggy conditions aint the best to play under at all. 3. The competitive side of NS has just turned into bitchyness. Clans all thinking their the best, and therefore being cocky and arrogant about thing, meaning people dont sit around long, as the community generally isnt nice.
Thats my insite to the EU side of things, and why it is failing. I dont go on GameSurge and go to the american clans rooms, therefore i know nothing about them.
Jas
[UKNSL Head Admin, Jason@ukns.org #UKNSL on Qnet]
[ns.pcw Natural Selection War Channel on Qnet]
[Skulkrush-community Admin]
[#NSsource Admin]
[#intrepid.ns]
As an alternative to CAL, I am the owner UKNSL [#uknsl on Q Net][ <a href='http://www.uknsl.burstfire.net' target='_blank'>UKNSL</a>] . UKNSL Is renound for being the best league however not finishing seasons due to the old heads not having time. However now i have stepped in.
UKNSL is an alternative to Clanbase, i was asked to run it because people pmed me on IRC saying they hated CB NS so could i start UKNSL, so i did.
Started UKNSL, with sponsership from Burstfire.net for gameservers for the matches to be played on. However these were underpreforming due to the CPU extensiveness on the servers.
Within the first week of starting the league, 3 clans had split. Great.... Nice way to start a league i thought. =/
We are now into the second week, with another 2 clans seeming like they have folded. Therefore things are slowly shrinking. We only did a small season, because we just wanted to raise awareness that we are back. However with the carry on of the EU Clans folding, it appears we are not going to be around for a second season as things in the EU rapidly deteriorate.
My insite to why things aint working : 1. NS Is far too costly on clans. Clanservers for NS are 4 times the price of CS Ones, as it is CPU instensive. 2. Players arent coming because you need a decent computer to run the game itself, as laggy conditions aint the best to play under at all. 3. The competitive side of NS has just turned into bitchyness. Clans all thinking their the best, and therefore being cocky and arrogant about thing, meaning people dont sit around long, as the community generally isnt nice.
Thats my insite to the EU side of things, and why it is failing. I dont go on GameSurge and go to the american clans rooms, therefore i know nothing about them.
Jas
[UKNSL Head Admin, Jason@ukns.org #UKNSL on Qnet]
[ns.pcw Natural Selection War Channel on Qnet]
[Skulkrush-community Admin]
[#NSsource Admin]
[#intrepid.ns] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Advertiser <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But yeh the EU clanning sucks major <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know why the dev's pt's whatever don't say **** what's gonna happen but they prolly have their reasons. NS is getting boring :<
#intrepid.ns #uknsl btw
I know, misinformation on my part, but the rest still is true... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
everything dies...
I know, misinformation on my part, but the rest still is true... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
everything dies... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does that mean we should sit back and say "Oh well, better luck next time"?
Also there's so much speculation over the future of NS, it is pretty hard to get fired up to compete at a game that will probably not be here in 12 months time or at least will be significantly altered.
why tell the good people to stop playing ns
believe me if we could scrim all the time we would, and sometimes i don't feel like pugging and its late at night so we join PUBLIC servers
and why should I play ns if i just do it so i can purposely suck, (even though i do it on accident sometimes tbh, gg walker fades), honestly one of my favorite pubs is Specialst Army's -- none of them complain and they spec me sometimes to learn something.
They wont learn anything by me letting them kill me, they'll learn something by me killing them so they wont make the same mistake again
I'm sorry you happen to be one of the pubbers i kill all the time
I know, misinformation on my part, but the rest still is true... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
everything dies... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does that mean we should sit back and say "Oh well, better luck next time"? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
it means nothing lasts forever...
Also there's so much speculation over the future of NS, it is pretty hard to get fired up to compete at a game that will probably not be here in 12 months time or at least will be significantly altered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now that's negative.
NS is dead within a year.
hahaha
Because you won't win a cookie for being good at NS in 12 months? Nobody gives a crap anyway.
Not that this is on topic or <i>anything</i>.