<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Nov 5 2003, 07:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Nov 5 2003, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm glad they took out all that kung-fu. News flash, people: It's called BULLET TIME for a reason, and that's because 90% of the time, it only works with BULLETS. While slowing down a big punch in the middle of a fight is ok, it's hardly as impressive as slowing down a volley of gunfire as it blows apart some columns/bodies/whatever. And as for the complaining that there are only 3 fight scenes... have you seen the movie? Do you realize that one of those scenes was pretty much half the movie? Honestly. Some people just bash for the sake of bashing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> AMEN!
God Kung-Fu is getting so old. Too much of it the second one.
The ending of the movie flat out sucked. How predictible. Hero dies, world saved, BOOOOOOOO
God, that movie blowed balls, simply because of the end.
I liked the start. Slow, mysterious, sort of like the first one, then suddenely it just jumped its pace up to like warp speed and damn did it suck.
Neo wins while hog-tied useing his teeth to catch bullets edit/and shoot them back out, scoring headshots with each/edit and nibble them to death, all in bullet time.
edit/: I think this movie needed more knug fu, only one martial arts scene is not enough. They also should have put in a multimillion dollar car chase scene to rival the one in the second movie. That was an awesome carchase, especially with the kung fu in the middle of it, they deffinitely needed a scene like that one in revolutions, only bigger and better.
I find that the movie was plenty worthy as the culminary ending for the previous two. You have to appreciate the movie as a whole, and stop dissecting and taking out the specific parts you don't like, thats takes all the taste out of the ones you do enjoy. Overall i think this movie was great. However were it up to me, i'm going to be hypocritical now" i would have made the scene for the docks a little more varied, and i would sped up the death scene with trinity, it was a little long, and when neo started to cry with noises quite odd sounding people in theatre did start laughing, such a scene should not have a reaction like that from the general audience, however, i enjoyed the film wholeheartedly
Maybe there should be a separate thread for critiquing...I wanna talk philosophy here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Nov 6 2003, 05:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Nov 6 2003, 05:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My theory after watching the movie.
The architech\t believed the only way to achieve peace was to have no rebellious humans and have everyone plugged into the Matrix
The Oracle believed humans and machines could live in peace.
The architect wanted to balance the equation creating Anomlies thus ceasing the rebellion
The Oracle wanted to unbalance the equation to create more powerful ones that could eventually communicate with the machine God (Neo)
Explination of the giant machine head. The giant machine head was the Machine God, Neo was the human incarnation of the Machine God (jesus) the only true being that can communicate with God. The Machine God believed humans must be kept in catvity with no hopes of salvation in Hell (the Matrix) the train station was purgatory, Heaven is freedom (the real world) I suppose. The architect works for the Machine God, the Oracle does not. So bascially the Architect and the Oracle are the mother and father programs, constantly balancing and unbalancing the equation.
On to Neo. Neo's purpose was to reinsert the code he carried into the matrix, Smiths purpose was to destroy all life. Neo was never given a choice, the Oracle and the Architect wound up working together to completely head screw Neo into making the correct choices, remember the two door scene? They both lead to the same place, to Trinity, because that was the only choice Neo could make. Heres where it gets complicated, Smith calls the Oracle his mother, in case you didn't catch this, what it means is when Smith was supposed to be deleted the Oracle was the one who saved him. This seems really strange at first but when you see the end of Neo vs. Smith you understand why, the only way for Neo to make the choice to let himself be killed and the code reinserted is if he lost everything that bound him to the real world, Trinity, hope for Zion's survival, and hope for peace all had to be on the line. The Oracle knew that if Smith grew powerful enough the Machine God would have to call for peace and the salvation of humanity (Old Testemant anyone?) and let Neo be put back into the Matrix. Weah god I hope that made some kind of sense.
The little girl. She is the new carrier of the code, she is the one who basically restarted the Matrix. That's all I can say about her I guess.
Random things. The oracle said Neo would return, ala second comming of Christ. The Oracle told Neo he saw the world without time, but couldn't see past choices he couldn't understand, once he understood the threat Smith posed, he gained the "sight" in the real world, and accepted the "source code" he carried within himself, thus letting himself use powers in the real world. Once Neo understood that Trinity would die "You knew I was comming with you as soon as you saw me" he knew that he could let Smith absorb him and reinsert the code "I know what it felt like....it felt like dying.".
There you have it folks, Neo ended up being the one and he ended up going down the Path of the one just like he was supposed to with the exception of creating peace and salvation for humanity. Bed time for me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My theory reposted.
<!--QuoteBegin--GreyPaws+Nov 6 2003, 02:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Nov 6 2003, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think dr.d sums it up nicely. I need to see all three movie back to back sometime.
I still cant belive that there are people who did not like reloaded and revolutions, I guess thats the reason good movies arent made anymore. Just becauase it isnt 90% 'matrix' special effects doesnt mean its bad. Farg.. anger rising... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I liked Reloaded, I hated Revolutions. Don't assume its because of lack of action, but as Jammer said, they couldn't have made the ending more obvious unless they nailed Neo to a cross. How lame.
The Ending Fight Scene between Smith and Neo sucked.
The High Points of the Movie:
Trinity seeing the sky. Personally that nearly brought tears to my eyes, that was so cool how they had that scene thrown in. Train Station Scene. Mysterious, reminded me of the first movie. Night Club Scene. Just kick-"assness" it really had the taste of the orginal lobby scene except full of people who could all manipulate the Matrix.
Low Points: Neo and Trinity dying. Give me a freaking break. EVERY, and I mean EVERY movie these days has to have someone die after they accomplished hwat they were meant to do. No more happy endings, instead just a bunch of people talking about how great the person was and blah blah blah. I think Neo should have become a permanent program in the matrix and the machines should have somehow found a way to revive trinity (or perhaps she should have never died in the first place (<!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->) and she could have joined him.
That kid who whoops and hollers like a little girl. I actually liked him, until the end with his whole "Neo did it" thingy, he sounded like Jar Jar :-\
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Just got back from seeing it, and i really, really loved this film. But i'm a sucker for special effects, i.e, if it's got CG in it, i'll like it,
Docks Scene.... wow..... That bit where the sentinals run on the wall and the bullets are tracing a pattern just behind them, i was thinking "NATURAL-SELECTION! SKULKS!". And the whole Dock scene... wow, it just rocked. And when that huge swarm of Sentinals came in.... just, wow.
There's a few things that i'm unclear on though, and apparantly they're answered in the Animatrix:
1) What exactly is Seraph. I've heard some people say he's an angel from the first matrix 2) What is the Meryvin.... whatever, the french dude. What is he? The devil from the original paradise matrix?
Anyway, if anyone knows, post the asnweres in here or, preferably, PM me. Because i don't have the money to go and buy the Animatrix, and i'm not the most bothered person about being told storylines.
Trinity had to die otherwise Neo would have never let himself die, and then everyone would have been killed by Smith, if Neo had something to live for he wouldn't have stopped Smith, get it?
Seraph is just a program designed to protect code carriers, I guess the Oracle used to be one of them, and now the little girl is the new one.
Merv (love that nick name) is just a program that traffiks information and smuggles illegal programs, he smuggled the little girl so the Matrix could be restored, without the Matrix Merv has no power, so he wants Smith to fail, and that is why he was so mad at the Oracle for saving Smith.
PS anyone who thought Neo vs. Smith fight sucked shouldn't be watching the Matrix in the first place.
I was kind of hoping for Neo to just totally f**k up the machine world at the end...But I still loved the outcome. It was good seeing somthing different, unlike the rest where he just beat the crap out of everyone and he lived. *Claps for the Witowski Bro's*
I really do hope they don't make another matrix movie...it wouldnt be the same without Neo. No one could fill keanu reaves spot. I think keanu isn't that great of an actor, but he sure does look bad a**, kicking the crap out of everyone. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Everything that has a beginning…has a beginning!WARNING! The Matrix Revolutions is strictly for Sci-Fi fans only.
The third and final installment of the Wachowski Bros trilogy has arrived starting off exactly where Reloaded ended with Agent Smith inside Zion, the machines are knocking on the door and Neo has to save the day…
But before he can do that Morpheus and Trinity have to save Neo from a state of limbo trapped by the French man (The Mergovian). With a nice rescue sequence reminiscent of the bank shoot them up (From the original) - but with villains running on the ceilings and walls.
Time is running out, Zion is broken and the machines are about to win when a deal is proposed with the robots and Neo…
I won’t say any more because you are probably confused with the plot? But the invested time with the previous two films unfortunately do not pay off with the conclusion coming with so many unanswered questions… Is Neo human? Is he a virus? What is the Matrix? And so on. Help because I don’t know!
I am disappointed, the first broke the rules the second raised the bar and the third just doesn’t know how to end it.
The good – Neo vs. Smith - the final fight is impressive, it is raining it has lightning a powerful piece of music and some wu ping fly fighting that is fabulous but that to me is one of a few outstanding scenes in a two hour plus movie. I am not sure whether it is because we have been bombarded with Matrix images this year with the other film and game so close together that comparisons and market saturation have just turned me off to the whole thing?
The Bad – The look is somewhere between Mad Max and the transformers (robots in disguise) with hardly any time actually spent in the Matrix (looking cool and kicking ****) which was where the other films were at there best – bullet time / car chases / 500 to 1 fight ratios and so on but here nothing, the film is all too depressing and stark.
The acting in Revolutions is the worst of all three with most of the Zion bound characters being too gung-ho and so “God Damn” this and “God Damn” that it really begins to irritate.
The Special FX were impressive but after two minutes of sentinels flying and fighting it becomes boring and too fast to acknowledge. The film just turns into a computer game with the directors holding the joystick.
As I said earlier Sci-Fi fans will love it but if you agree with me and enjoy the ‘inside the Matrix’ cool stuff then leave it with Reloaded because Revolutions is only going to fail for you ERGO it will let you down.
Perhaps I expected too much or the Wachowski’s just had too much to do, but trying to do so much with such little time I think has ultimately affected their four year commitment. As a friend said earlier in the year “They should have left it alone with… The ONE”
That was done in quote form because that part of the site looked temporary. Here's where I got it. <a href='http://www.nitro-movies.com/Features/122.html' target='_blank'>Yep</a>
-Edit- <a href='http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheMatrixRevolutions-1127201/' target='_blank'>A compilation of reviews</a>
A sci-fi movie is strictly for Sc-fi fans, excuse me while I gasp in shock. Critics are notriously band wagon hopping hores, and they fit into my haters theory, look a few pages back for it. The people who "liked" the first Matrix, like it for the shiney new effects and mystery, and I'm glad they are finally admiting they aren't sci-fi fans.
Most of the bad reviews have glaring stupidities in them like "The oracle was completely wrong in Reloaded about everything, and Neo can't expload smith like in the first one how come." or one of my favorites "In the first Matrix they say the agents are bound by the rules of the Matrix, but in Revolutions Smith isn't, this is a plot hole..." I mean if you're that stupid why make it public knowledge by writing a review about a movie you clearly didn't even comprehend.
All your petty reviews that point out plot holes made by their own misunderstandings and whining about not enough "time in the Matrix" when the Matrix was overrun by Smith and pretty much everyone was in Zion and not anywhere where they could jack just makes me ask "how the hell are you qualified to review anything?". Honestly aren't critics supposed to understand movies?
I'm not as concerned about the plot holes (edit- as there weren't any) so much as I am with the general poor quality of the movie. I like the point of "Who, exactly, we are suppose to care for in the battle for Zion when none of the major players are there?" (like Neo, Trinity, Morpheous, etc) To the best of my knowledge, none of those reviews mentioned any plot holes, in fact, after looking through them the word "Plot" is used only twice.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Honestly aren't critics supposed to understand movies? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, yes they do. Please read the reviews before telling me how bad they are.
the little girls name "Sati" means friend in hindi, and the words to the song they sang at the end, that sounded latin? Hindi allso, you might have heard " Amaya" which means Illusions of this world in hindi
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That's from the review you quoted, and I'm supposed to take what he has to say to heart? I personally cared for Z, and for everyone else whose lives were about to be destroyed by the giant horde of sentinals you might have noticed swarming around Zion.
The young kid (can't belive I forgot his name) I cared for because I happened to watch the Animatrix too, anyway, I loved all 3 movies, and I think Neo vs. Smith was one of the most bad **** things I have ever seen in a movie.
On a side note I was talking to someone earlier today and told them I had seen Revolutions and that Smith was Neo's father and Trinity was his sister, it took the guy half a day to figure out I was kidding, he was so **** at first that he didn't talk to me for 2 hours.
Some things are written literally, others are not. It is called "satire," and you run into it a lot when you get into big kid writting. Seriously, did I really have to explain that to you or were you just trying to find a flaw in the review?
I won't flame you IF YOU STOP POSTING IN THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS DISCUSSIONS THREAD WITH REVIEWS AND YOUR GENERAL NAY-SAYING NESS. YOU ONLY LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT. If you hated Revolutions, then don't go into a thread full of people who might have enjoyed it/will enjoy it, post a bunch of negative stuff and continually spam reviews and then go on about how you think it sucked. If you don't want to discuss it, then don't post in here. PERIOD.
My friend read "The Matrix and Philosophy", and he found that Matrix/Reloaded/Revolutions follows the build of a Greek tragedy thingy.
The Matrix - Life The Matrix Reloaded - Death The Matrix Revolutions - Rebirth/Salvation.
Technically, I AM discussing it. Discussing how much I feel it sucked. However, to keep peace in the forums I will do as you ask.
--Edit-- However, in my defense, the first few pages strikes me as a review of what their opinions about the movie was like, not so much discussing the Matrix's "philosophy."
OMG people, quit bickering. When people start a thread they should start a second one for people to bicker about the first thread so readers don't have to wade through the crap to get to the real postings about important things. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Smoke Nova+Nov 6 2003, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smoke Nova @ Nov 6 2003, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My friend read "The Matrix and Philosophy"... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Whoa whoa, stop right there. You're telling me that there are actually people out there that have applied and authored content that relates The Matrix and some sort of "deep" philosophy?! To what degree of loser-dom do you have to live in to nit pick and theorize a shoot 'em up/kung fu movie? And then you're telling me there's people out there that take the time to read it?! Why, God, Why?!
Oh and if you're wondering, I actually enjoyed the 3rd Matrix more than Reloaded, although I was a bit surprised that the main characters weren't actually present in the "big" battles, aside from the Smith/Neo one at the end.
Actually, the philosophy makes the Matrix movies more enjoyable. It's like the Simpsons, where almost everybody can enjoy it at face value, and the people that catch the small references get much more out of the show. There are some great essays on the official site about several aspects of the story.
Should somebody make a new thread for critiquing, or a new one for discussion?
This movie rocked. Big time. Although I thought the beginning was a bit 'bland', the rest of the movie made up for itself. The docks scene was very good. Neo vs Smith (on the rainy road), was good, but I think they prolonged it a bit. I think one of the best parts is when Neo and Trinity take the Logos to the machine world (the machine's defense is awesome) and Neo begins the battle with Smith.
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On a side note I talked to someone today and told them I had seen Revolutions and that Smith was Neo's father and Trinity was his sister, it took the guy half the day to figure out I was kidding, and he was so mad at first he didn't talk to me for 2 hours.
Torqo, when the Wachowski's wrote the Matrix trilogy (remember they wrote it all at once) they were used many obscure philosophical references and cultural references.
Room 101. Room 303. Plato's Cave (The Matrix itself). Read the book, you'd see the depth the Wachowski's put into a simple "kung-fu/gunfight movie" that was ironically 1/3 combat at the most. They have major scenes that are fighting but it is not entirely action, unlike an actual action movie.
I have to agree with Crisqo about the movie. It's not that the whole series as a whole sucks, it's just this one was poorly made. It appeared to be rushed and written in a day.
The "dominatrix club" was a little over the top, half the time the camera was on peopel groping one another. The kung fu, what little there was, was very repetitive from the preceding movies. Now I'm a big fan of the Matrix and the whole trilogy and I do believed it turned out good, as a series, not each individual movie.
Critics aren't supposed to look at the series as a whole when criticizing an individual film. As a whole I loved the Matrix trilogy, but individually the only one I can see as being good was the first one. It's not because the first one had "great special FX" or because of all the hoop-law about it. It's because it had time put into it plain and simple. It was creatively written, the fight scenes were superbly choreographed and the over affect it left you with was grand. In the second and third, it seemed as though the Wachowski bros. just wanted to see a bunch of nudity or teenage-hormone driven scenes.
I pity those of you who say that you liked or disliked the movie because of the action, or lack-there-of. You people are responsible for Hollywood cinema. Most movies created now are just for special FX and action scenes, with little or no thought actually put into an awesome script. Now, by an awesome script I don't mean plot-hole after plot-hole. I mean one that actually has great dialogue or one that has a little thought put into it.
If you hard-core Matrix fans went back and actually looked at the film itself, you would notice that it was poorly casted, (the little girl's acting appeared as though they just pulled a girl of the street and into a studio), horribly scripted, and very repetative from the first two.
I enjoyed the movie. I don't care what some overpaid critic has to say about it. Go ahead, let people tell you what to believe, just don't force it on us when you agree with them.
Now that Im done with that rant, its a MOVIE people. It is meant to entertain, and thats what it did for me. Sure, its nice to see some of the more obsucre things in it, and then debate about what it is, it gives a nice refresher from some of the more dumbed down movies, but all in all, its still just a movie. It may have inconsistancies (sp?) and stuff like that, but there is not one movie out there made for everybody, at least somebody is going to hate a movie, thats what it means to be an individual.
I liked Revolutions. It had some drooping bits, like: Trinity: "Neo, Im dying..." Audience: "Continue dying!"
And the Powered Armor that the humans used, what the fruit? Powered armor is supposed to be just that... Armor! The pilot is totally exposed! Shrapnel and debris would kill as many humans as the sentinels! Open Cockpit = Pilot killed by stray rock/bullet/shrapnel/corpse Closed Cockpit = keeps the tentacles away!
Arg. I said tenticles and the first thing that came to mind was matrix hentai. What the fruitbat is wrong with me.
When you have limited resources, you can't exactly have a covered cockpit.
Not to mention, it doesn't really do much. The bullets would still pierce and the sentintels can still get you (Watch Animatrix: The Second Renaissance Part 2)
<!--QuoteBegin--Infinitum+Nov 6 2003, 01:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Nov 6 2003, 01:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Venmoch+Nov 6 2003, 03:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Nov 6 2003, 03:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The BBC slammed this film <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The BBC are a bunch of idiots. Anybody who bashes this film obviously has their noses too high up in the air.
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Anyway, I'll get to the point. The ending s0xs but I left the theater with this > <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> < on my face.
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AMEN!
God Kung-Fu is getting so old. Too much of it the second one.
The ending of the movie flat out sucked. How predictible. Hero dies, world saved, BOOOOOOOO
God, that movie blowed balls, simply because of the end.
I liked the start. Slow, mysterious, sort of like the first one, then suddenely it just jumped its pace up to like warp speed and damn did it suck.
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Neo wins while hog-tied useing his teeth to catch bullets edit/and shoot them back out, scoring headshots with each/edit and nibble them to death, all in bullet time.
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I think this movie needed more knug fu, only one martial arts scene is not enough. They also should have put in a multimillion dollar car chase scene to rival the one in the second movie. That was an awesome carchase, especially with the kung fu in the middle of it, they deffinitely needed a scene like that one in revolutions, only bigger and better.
God I hope this movie burns and flops.
Read my above comments as well, but I give this as a stand alone movie (not even comparing it to the other two) a 2/5
The architech\t believed the only way to achieve peace was to have no rebellious humans and have everyone plugged into the Matrix
The Oracle believed humans and machines could live in peace.
The architect wanted to balance the equation creating Anomlies thus ceasing the rebellion
The Oracle wanted to unbalance the equation to create more powerful ones that could eventually communicate with the machine God (Neo)
Explination of the giant machine head. The giant machine head was the Machine God, Neo was the human incarnation of the Machine God (jesus) the only true being that can communicate with God. The Machine God believed humans must be kept in catvity with no hopes of salvation in Hell (the Matrix) the train station was purgatory, Heaven is freedom (the real world) I suppose. The architect works for the Machine God, the Oracle does not. So bascially the Architect and the Oracle are the mother and father programs, constantly balancing and unbalancing the equation.
On to Neo. Neo's purpose was to reinsert the code he carried into the matrix, Smiths purpose was to destroy all life. Neo was never given a choice, the Oracle and the Architect wound up working together to completely head screw Neo into making the correct choices, remember the two door scene? They both lead to the same place, to Trinity, because that was the only choice Neo could make. Heres where it gets complicated, Smith calls the Oracle his mother, in case you didn't catch this, what it means is when Smith was supposed to be deleted the Oracle was the one who saved him. This seems really strange at first but when you see the end of Neo vs. Smith you understand why, the only way for Neo to make the choice to let himself be killed and the code reinserted is if he lost everything that bound him to the real world, Trinity, hope for Zion's survival, and hope for peace all had to be on the line. The Oracle knew that if Smith grew powerful enough the Machine God would have to call for peace and the salvation of humanity (Old Testemant anyone?) and let Neo be put back into the Matrix. Weah god I hope that made some kind of sense.
The little girl. She is the new carrier of the code, she is the one who basically restarted the Matrix. That's all I can say about her I guess.
Random things. The oracle said Neo would return, ala second comming of Christ. The Oracle told Neo he saw the world without time, but couldn't see past choices he couldn't understand, once he understood the threat Smith posed, he gained the "sight" in the real world, and accepted the "source code" he carried within himself, thus letting himself use powers in the real world. Once Neo understood that Trinity would die "You knew I was comming with you as soon as you saw me" he knew that he could let Smith absorb him and reinsert the code "I know what it felt like....it felt like dying.".
There you have it folks, Neo ended up being the one and he ended up going down the Path of the one just like he was supposed to with the exception of creating peace and salvation for humanity. Bed time for me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My theory reposted.
I still cant belive that there are people who did not like reloaded and revolutions, I guess thats the reason good movies arent made anymore. Just becauase it isnt 90% 'matrix' special effects doesnt mean its bad. Farg.. anger rising... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I liked Reloaded, I hated Revolutions. Don't assume its because of lack of action, but as Jammer said, they couldn't have made the ending more obvious unless they nailed Neo to a cross. How lame.
The Ending Fight Scene between Smith and Neo sucked.
The High Points of the Movie:
Trinity seeing the sky. Personally that nearly brought tears to my eyes, that was so cool how they had that scene thrown in.
Train Station Scene. Mysterious, reminded me of the first movie.
Night Club Scene. Just kick-"assness" it really had the taste of the orginal lobby scene except full of people who could all manipulate the Matrix.
Low Points:
Neo and Trinity dying. Give me a freaking break. EVERY, and I mean EVERY movie these days has to have someone die after they accomplished hwat they were meant to do. No more happy endings, instead just a bunch of people talking about how great the person was and blah blah blah. I think Neo should have become a permanent program in the matrix and the machines should have somehow found a way to revive trinity (or perhaps she should have never died in the first place (<!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->) and she could have joined him.
That kid who whoops and hollers like a little girl. I actually liked him, until the end with his whole "Neo did it" thingy, he sounded like Jar Jar :-\
The Rainbow sunshine crap.
The ending was enough to ruin the movie....
Docks Scene.... wow..... That bit where the sentinals run on the wall and the bullets are tracing a pattern just behind them, i was thinking "NATURAL-SELECTION! SKULKS!". And the whole Dock scene... wow, it just rocked. And when that huge swarm of Sentinals came in.... just, wow.
There's a few things that i'm unclear on though, and apparantly they're answered in the Animatrix:
1) What exactly is Seraph. I've heard some people say he's an angel from the first matrix
2) What is the Meryvin.... whatever, the french dude. What is he? The devil from the original paradise matrix?
Anyway, if anyone knows, post the asnweres in here or, preferably, PM me. Because i don't have the money to go and buy the Animatrix, and i'm not the most bothered person about being told storylines.
And yeah, the ending did kinda suck.
Seraph is just a program designed to protect code carriers, I guess the Oracle used to be one of them, and now the little girl is the new one.
Merv (love that nick name) is just a program that traffiks information and smuggles illegal programs, he smuggled the little girl so the Matrix could be restored, without the Matrix Merv has no power, so he wants Smith to fail, and that is why he was so mad at the Oracle for saving Smith.
PS anyone who thought Neo vs. Smith fight sucked shouldn't be watching the Matrix in the first place.
I really do hope they don't make another matrix movie...it wouldnt be the same without Neo. No one could fill keanu reaves spot. I think keanu isn't that great of an actor, but he sure does look bad a**, kicking the crap out of everyone. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.hollywood.com/movies/reviews/movie/1732576' target='_blank'>More reviews</a>
^---- Got a 1 and 1/2 stars.
<a href='http://www.joblo.com/arrow/matrixrevolutions.htm' target='_blank'>And another</a>
<a href='http://www.bullz-eye.com/mguide/reviews_2003/the_matrix_revolutions.htm' target='_blank'>And another</a>
<a href='http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/review.asp?mid=2047748' target='_blank'>We may be here awhile</a>
<a href='http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=8168' target='_blank'>I like this one best because it looks at the good AND bad</a>
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Everything that has a beginning…has a beginning!WARNING! The Matrix Revolutions is strictly for Sci-Fi fans only.
The third and final installment of the Wachowski Bros trilogy has arrived starting off exactly where Reloaded ended with Agent Smith inside Zion, the machines are knocking on the door and Neo has to save the day…
But before he can do that Morpheus and Trinity have to save Neo from a state of limbo trapped by the French man (The Mergovian). With a nice rescue sequence reminiscent of the bank shoot them up (From the original) - but with villains running on the ceilings and walls.
Time is running out, Zion is broken and the machines are about to win when a deal is proposed with the robots and Neo…
I won’t say any more because you are probably confused with the plot? But the invested time with the previous two films unfortunately do not pay off with the conclusion coming with so many unanswered questions… Is Neo human? Is he a virus? What is the Matrix? And so on. Help because I don’t know!
I am disappointed, the first broke the rules the second raised the bar and the third just doesn’t know how to end it.
The good – Neo vs. Smith - the final fight is impressive, it is raining it has lightning a powerful piece of music and some wu ping fly fighting that is fabulous but that to me is one of a few outstanding scenes in a two hour plus movie. I am not sure whether it is because we have been bombarded with Matrix images this year with the other film and game so close together that comparisons and market saturation have just turned me off to the whole thing?
The Bad – The look is somewhere between Mad Max and the transformers (robots in disguise) with hardly any time actually spent in the Matrix (looking cool and kicking ****) which was where the other films were at there best – bullet time / car chases / 500 to 1 fight ratios and so on but here nothing, the film is all too depressing and stark.
The acting in Revolutions is the worst of all three with most of the Zion bound characters being too gung-ho and so “God Damn” this and “God Damn” that it really begins to irritate.
The Special FX were impressive but after two minutes of sentinels flying and fighting it becomes boring and too fast to acknowledge. The film just turns into a computer game with the directors holding the joystick.
As I said earlier Sci-Fi fans will love it but if you agree with me and enjoy the ‘inside the Matrix’ cool stuff then leave it with Reloaded because Revolutions is only going to fail for you ERGO it will let you down.
Perhaps I expected too much or the Wachowski’s just had too much to do, but trying to do so much with such little time I think has ultimately affected their four year commitment. As a friend said earlier in the year “They should have left it alone with… The ONE”
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That was done in quote form because that part of the site looked temporary.
Here's where I got it. <a href='http://www.nitro-movies.com/Features/122.html' target='_blank'>Yep</a>
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<a href='http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheMatrixRevolutions-1127201/' target='_blank'>A compilation of reviews</a>
Most of the bad reviews have glaring stupidities in them like "The oracle was completely wrong in Reloaded about everything, and Neo can't expload smith like in the first one how come." or one of my favorites "In the first Matrix they say the agents are bound by the rules of the Matrix, but in Revolutions Smith isn't, this is a plot hole..." I mean if you're that stupid why make it public knowledge by writing a review about a movie you clearly didn't even comprehend.
All your petty reviews that point out plot holes made by their own misunderstandings and whining about not enough "time in the Matrix" when the Matrix was overrun by Smith and pretty much everyone was in Zion and not anywhere where they could jack just makes me ask "how the hell are you qualified to review anything?". Honestly aren't critics supposed to understand movies?
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Yes, yes they do.
Please read the reviews before telling me how bad they are.
That's from the review you quoted, and I'm supposed to take what he has to say to heart? I personally cared for Z, and for everyone else whose lives were about to be destroyed by the giant horde of sentinals you might have noticed swarming around Zion.
The young kid (can't belive I forgot his name) I cared for because I happened to watch the Animatrix too, anyway, I loved all 3 movies, and I think Neo vs. Smith was one of the most bad **** things I have ever seen in a movie.
On a side note I was talking to someone earlier today and told them I had seen Revolutions and that Smith was Neo's father and Trinity was his sister, it took the guy half a day to figure out I was kidding, he was so **** at first that he didn't talk to me for 2 hours.
I won't flame you IF YOU STOP POSTING IN THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS DISCUSSIONS THREAD WITH REVIEWS AND YOUR GENERAL NAY-SAYING NESS. YOU ONLY LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT. If you hated Revolutions, then don't go into a thread full of people who might have enjoyed it/will enjoy it, post a bunch of negative stuff and continually spam reviews and then go on about how you think it sucked. If you don't want to discuss it, then don't post in here. PERIOD.
My friend read "The Matrix and Philosophy", and he found that Matrix/Reloaded/Revolutions follows the build of a Greek tragedy thingy.
The Matrix - Life
The Matrix Reloaded - Death
The Matrix Revolutions - Rebirth/Salvation.
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However, in my defense, the first few pages strikes me as a review of what their opinions about the movie was like, not so much discussing the Matrix's "philosophy."
Whoa whoa, stop right there. You're telling me that there are actually people out there that have applied and authored content that relates The Matrix and some sort of "deep" philosophy?! To what degree of loser-dom do you have to live in to nit pick and theorize a shoot 'em up/kung fu movie? And then you're telling me there's people out there that take the time to read it?! Why, God, Why?!
Oh and if you're wondering, I actually enjoyed the 3rd Matrix more than Reloaded, although I was a bit surprised that the main characters weren't actually present in the "big" battles, aside from the Smith/Neo one at the end.
Should somebody make a new thread for critiquing, or a new one for discussion?
Although I thought the beginning was a bit 'bland', the rest of the movie made up for itself. The docks scene was very good. Neo vs Smith (on the rainy road), was good, but I think they prolonged it a bit. I think one of the best parts is when Neo and Trinity take the Logos to the machine world (the machine's defense is awesome) and Neo begins the battle with Smith.
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Room 101. Room 303. Plato's Cave (The Matrix itself). Read the book, you'd see the depth the Wachowski's put into a simple "kung-fu/gunfight movie" that was ironically 1/3 combat at the most. They have major scenes that are fighting but it is not entirely action, unlike an actual action movie.
The "dominatrix club" was a little over the top, half the time the camera was on peopel groping one another. The kung fu, what little there was, was very repetitive from the preceding movies. Now I'm a big fan of the Matrix and the whole trilogy and I do believed it turned out good, as a series, not each individual movie.
Critics aren't supposed to look at the series as a whole when criticizing an individual film. As a whole I loved the Matrix trilogy, but individually the only one I can see as being good was the first one. It's not because the first one had "great special FX" or because of all the hoop-law about it. It's because it had time put into it plain and simple. It was creatively written, the fight scenes were superbly choreographed and the over affect it left you with was grand. In the second and third, it seemed as though the Wachowski bros. just wanted to see a bunch of nudity or teenage-hormone driven scenes.
I pity those of you who say that you liked or disliked the movie because of the action, or lack-there-of. You people are responsible for Hollywood cinema. Most movies created now are just for special FX and action scenes, with little or no thought actually put into an awesome script. Now, by an awesome script I don't mean plot-hole after plot-hole. I mean one that actually has great dialogue or one that has a little thought put into it.
If you hard-core Matrix fans went back and actually looked at the film itself, you would notice that it was poorly casted, (the little girl's acting appeared as though they just pulled a girl of the street and into a studio), horribly scripted, and very repetative from the first two.
Just my 2 cents.
Now that Im done with that rant, its a MOVIE people. It is meant to entertain, and thats what it did for me. Sure, its nice to see some of the more obsucre things in it, and then debate about what it is, it gives a nice refresher from some of the more dumbed down movies, but all in all, its still just a movie. It may have inconsistancies (sp?) and stuff like that, but there is not one movie out there made for everybody, at least somebody is going to hate a movie, thats what it means to be an individual.
I enjoyed it, and thats all that matters to me.
It had some drooping bits, like:
Trinity: "Neo, Im dying..."
Audience: "Continue dying!"
And the Powered Armor that the humans used, what the fruit? Powered armor is supposed to be just that... Armor! The pilot is totally exposed! Shrapnel and debris would kill as many humans as the sentinels!
Open Cockpit = Pilot killed by stray rock/bullet/shrapnel/corpse
Closed Cockpit = keeps the tentacles away!
Arg. I said tenticles and the first thing that came to mind was matrix hentai. What the fruitbat is wrong with me.
Anyway, I still liked the movie.
Not to mention, it doesn't really do much. The bullets would still pierce and the sentintels can still get you
(Watch Animatrix: The Second Renaissance Part 2)
The BBC are a bunch of idiots. Anybody who bashes this film obviously has their noses too high up in the air.
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Anyway, I'll get to the point. The ending s0xs but I left the theater with this > <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> < on my face.