i loved it. the only thing i didn't really like were some of the shots in the neo vs smith at the end, the whole dragonball z thing kinda **** me off, but even that wasn't all bad (like the fighting in the wherehouse with the lighting creating silhouettes.... omg omg omg, most beautiful scene evar)
the battle at zion is, i think, the greatest cg battle sequence ever caught on film. it absolutely blew me away. not overdone, not underdone, the sheer scale was breathtaking, and it made you care. we had a really rowdy audience for the triple-shot zero hour release i went too, but they were just dead silent the whole movie, even people who ragged it out later on couldn't deny that at the time they were totally engrossed, and isn't that what its all about?\
i want an APU. go look at the <a href='http://www.spawn.com/features/matrix2/main.html' target='_blank'>McFarlaine toys</a>, they rock. i mean c'mon...
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<!--QuoteBegin--Smoke Nova+Nov 12 2003, 07:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smoke Nova @ Nov 12 2003, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the APU's are cooool. I would rather have a Mechwarrior style Elemental though, unlimited small pulse laser. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd want something that didn't look like a robo-monkey. I'll take an A.L.I.C.E. anyday.
I would want a Timber Wolf with 2xLRM 15, 2xMedium Laser, and 2 Autocannons (can't think of the name of the Armor Peircing weapon, so I called them Autocannons, need to play Mechwarrior 2 again, best mech game ever).
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(First of all, don't take an opinion on this/these movies personal. I say this because I will below state that I hated the third movie, and I realise some of you want to flame me for this. And, yes, I love sci-fi.)
Matrix: Revolutions was a big yawn. To make it short, I mostly agree with the reviews posted earlier in this thread by Cisqo.
So, why did I like the first movie? When I first watched it, it caught me off guard. The plot twisted and turned several times so I would not know where it ended. It was so unpredictable (for the most of the time) that I sat there thinking "Oh my, what happens now?". The action scenes were not only quite good, but gave the movie an intense fast-paced feeling to it.
The second movie was somewhat predictable though. But let's move on to the third one:
Revolutions was a big yawn -- way too predictable. The only thing I really wondered about was exactly HOW Neo would beat Smith at the end. Sure, there were some cool elements (I'm a 'mech fan myself), but please -- at least TRY to catch me off guard again. Please! That was the one major thing I loved about the first movie. That is the single major reason I wanted to see the second and third matrix movies. Oh, and it was some poor acting when Trinity died. Neo didn't seem all that sad, and I didn't really feel anything myself either.
<!--QuoteBegin--Kaine+Nov 13 2003, 12:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kaine @ Nov 13 2003, 12:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i loved it. the only thing i didn't really like were some of the shots in the neo vs smith at the end, the whole dragonball z thing kinda **** me off, but even that wasn't all bad (like the fighting in the wherehouse with the lighting creating silhouettes.... omg omg omg, most beautiful scene evar)
the battle at zion is, i think, the greatest cg battle sequence ever caught on film. it absolutely blew me away. not overdone, not underdone, the sheer scale was breathtaking, and it made you care. we had a really rowdy audience for the triple-shot zero hour release i went too, but they were just dead silent the whole movie, even people who ragged it out later on couldn't deny that at the time they were totally engrossed, and isn't that what its all about?\
i want an APU. go look at the <a href='http://www.spawn.com/features/matrix2/main.html' target='_blank'>McFarlaine toys</a>, they rock. i mean c'mon...
I found the below on a forum which was taken from another forum whcih in turnw as takenf rom antoher so whoeevr originally wrote it i do not know nor am it aking credit for it. However, it does explain quite a lot in a 'short' amount of space. Personally, the only thing i did not like about the movie was the final battle between smith and neo too much lightning (hurt my eyes) and i felt it was filmed wrong. Hwoever, the rest of the movie i really loved <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The only truly terrible thign was that the matrix still exists and humans are still prisoners being used for energy, afetr watching the matrix i always felt the whole point was to at least free all the humans but this did not happen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In all i would say Matrix was the best followed my reloaded and revolutions on a joint second. Both having great and poor bits imo.
This is a quick sort of <u>MATRIX FOR DUMMIES</u> that explains the series.
Zion is real! The Matrix is not. The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose. The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again)but humans did not accept it as real. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).
The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.
The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus. The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program.
Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love. Onto Revolutions: Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the hopes that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.
Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for peace as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system. At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline, as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself.
The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh? For those that like biblical references, note the Jesus references all through the movie. Heck, the French Man is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect must be God - i.e. he destroys the world as has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.
<!--QuoteBegin--Bry+Nov 13 2003, 10:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bry @ Nov 13 2003, 10:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I found the below on a forum which was taken from another forum whcih in turnw as takenf rom antoher so whoeevr originally wrote it i do not know nor am it aking credit for it. However, it does explain quite a lot in a 'short' amount of space. Personally, the only thing i did not like about the movie was the final battle between smith and neo too much lightning (hurt my eyes) and i felt it was filmed wrong. Hwoever, the rest of the movie i really loved <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The only truly terrible thign was that the matrix still exists and humans are still prisoners being used for energy, afetr watching the matrix i always felt the whole point was to at least free all the humans but this did not happen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In all i would say Matrix was the best followed my reloaded and revolutions on a joint second. Both having great and poor bits imo.
This is a quick sort of <u>MATRIX FOR DUMMIES</u> that explains the series.
Zion is real! The Matrix is not. The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose. The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again)but humans did not accept it as real. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).
The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.
The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus. The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program.
Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love. Onto Revolutions: Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the hopes that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.
Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for peace as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system. At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline, as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself.
The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh? For those that like biblical references, note the Jesus references all through the movie. Heck, the French Man is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect must be God - i.e. he destroys the world as has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> good stuff.
One question though... was it just me or did Smith say the Oracle was his mother? It would make some sense since the Oracle represents chaos and the Architect represents order. The Smith and Neo are created from mixing order with chaos (in the Matrix). Hence, Oracle is the mother of Smith. This would also mean that Neo and Smith or brothers and, well, one of them kills the other, a little bit of Cain and Abel there.
Blah blah blah.. people could probably go on all day with this...
i liked the philosophical stuff, and it actually worked out, unbelievably. too bad the movie was still bad.
five minutes in, the dialogue was so horrible i had to quit watching.
when the guy in the beginning shouted "Jesus H Christ!" when something bad happened, and yet they have never heard of Jesus in that world... it was blatantly out of character. the acting and dialogue was absolutely horrid.
say what you will of the effects, some loved them others thought they were overdone, i am talking about the literary parts.
this third movie just completely lacked any writing talent.
i still dont know who Tank is, aside from a random side cahracter, or why i should give a flying **** about the welfare of his girlfriend. and who was shooting the bazooka at the digger bots? two mroe random characters? helloo? perfect place to have our other side characters do soemthing!!! thats where the extras like tank and zee shouldve been.
when all the apu's died and they had to open gate three! all of a sudden, its up to you! only you, unnamed sixteen year old kid! only you can save us all and OPEN GATE THREE!
i liked the neo vs smith sequence, its really made sense. the imaginary equation that had to be rebalanced, smith was evil and neo was goodness, and when they fused all was set equal in the world again, it was great seeing smith accidentally quote the oracle after absorbing her, and funny how he thought he could take over the real world by going into bane.
now whats up with adding more characters in the third movie and rpetending they are important? whered the trainman come from and who made him named so retardedly and why does he look like a bum? that whole damn sequence was utterly random yet the directors pretended it was important?
good part; at least the movie ended before they started raving again at the end.
<!--QuoteBegin--tankefugl+Nov 13 2003, 04:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Nov 13 2003, 04:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (First of all, don't take an opinion on this/these movies personal. I say this because I will below state that I hated the third movie, and I realise some of you want to flame me for this. And, yes, I love sci-fi.)
Matrix: Revolutions was a big yawn. To make it short, I mostly agree with the reviews posted earlier in this thread by Cisqo.
So, why did I like the first movie? When I first watched it, it caught me off guard. The plot twisted and turned several times so I would not know where it ended. It was so unpredictable (for the most of the time) that I sat there thinking "Oh my, what happens now?". The action scenes were not only quite good, but gave the movie an intense fast-paced feeling to it.
The second movie was somewhat predictable though. But let's move on to the third one:
Revolutions was a big yawn -- way too predictable. The only thing I really wondered about was exactly HOW Neo would beat Smith at the end. Sure, there were some cool elements (I'm a 'mech fan myself), but please -- at least TRY to catch me off guard again. Please! That was the one major thing I loved about the first movie. That is the single major reason I wanted to see the second and third matrix movies. Oh, and it was some poor acting when Trinity died. Neo didn't seem all that sad, and I didn't really feel anything myself either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. I nearly peed my pants when Neo did the bullet dodge for the first time. After that, slow-motion combat was just very badly choreographed kung-fu. I was yawning through Reloaded.
has anyone else noticed that apu's are deathtraps?
no body protection exposed ammo what looks like exposed hydraulic lines exposed hydraulic pistons the only way to break a fall is with the guns exposed electical lines
erm ... yeah ill take any kind of mech over this thing
Zel, Tank and Dozer were brother's from the first Matrix. Zee is the sister of Tank & Dozer, and the wife of Link.
Also, it's been said before that a theory of why Smith called the oracle his mother is that she convinced the Merovingian to let the Trainman smuggle him back from Exile in the Machine world.
The Trainman is actually a little easier to explain. Go play Enter The Matrix (and don't complain about how much it sucks). Niobe and Ghost run into him about 1/4 of the way in.
His exact words: "72 Hours...72 hours" Niobe: "What?" Trainman: "That's how long Zion lasted last time"
And the APU's aren't death traps. Consider that they managed to take out a hell of a lot of sentinels before each one fell, and that they didn't get too damaged. Also, having everything covered is just as deadly, as it means more mass to try and get up and move. Watch The Animatrix "The Second Renaissance Part 2". They have "Frog" style APU's, which get massacred even more.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zel+Nov 13 2003, 07:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Nov 13 2003, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> iwhen all the apu's died and they had to open gate three! all of a sudden, its up to you! only you, unnamed sixteen year old kid! only you can save us all and OPEN GATE THREE! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hes from the animatrix. Go watch it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Infinitum+Nov 5 2003, 12:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Nov 5 2003, 12:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 'they weren't expecting an attack from the roof' <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, id think thats the first place they'd come from if they were TUNNELING INTO ZION FROM ABOVE! =P just my opinion
<!--QuoteBegin--rabbitz+Nov 13 2003, 04:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rabbitz @ Nov 13 2003, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Infinitum+Nov 5 2003, 12:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Nov 5 2003, 12:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 'they weren't expecting an attack from the roof' <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, id think thats the first place they'd come from if they were TUNNELING INTO ZION FROM ABOVE! =P just my opinion <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe they were drilling from CHINA <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
so i was supposed to buy their game and watch their anime to understand anyfuckignthing of the third movie? thats lame... maybe if it was titled matrix:5 with the game and anime being 3 and 4 then it would be excusable..
<!--QuoteBegin--Smoke Nova+Nov 13 2003, 06:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smoke Nova @ Nov 13 2003, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Detective Story. That one was cool.
Program and the Second Renaissance's are available for FREE.
Unless you have 56k or can't spare 3-5$, you have NO excuse for not having seen The Animatrix. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dunno 'it sucks' sounded pretty good reason.
<!--QuoteBegin--Black Mage+Nov 13 2003, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Nov 13 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> has anyone else noticed that apu's are deathtraps?
no body protection exposed ammo what looks like exposed hydraulic lines exposed hydraulic pistons the only way to break a fall is with the guns exposed electical lines
erm ... yeah ill take any kind of mech over this thing <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> First: APU's are supposed to look 'raw', like their world is. People of Zion didn't have time nor will to make fancy designs and armors and covers for their APU's.
Second: There will never be mechs used in real world anyway. They are way too unpractical, so it's kinda useless to debate if APU would be better or worse than a mechwarrior <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--DOOManiac+Nov 13 2003, 12:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Nov 13 2003, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> btw something I thought of earlier but never thought to post:
There aren't any agents at all in Revolutions. None. Zero. at all... interesting.
Oh yeah, maybe cause its only in the Matrix for a total of 20 minutes... :X <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you noticed, EVERYBODY was smith. This is because, as you saw in Reloaded, Smith can take over agents too.
At the end, you never saw a civilian or agent, simply because he had taken over all their bodies.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Nov 14 2003, 09:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Nov 14 2003, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Black Mage+Nov 13 2003, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Nov 13 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> has anyone else noticed that apu's are deathtraps?
no body protection exposed ammo what looks like exposed hydraulic lines exposed hydraulic pistons the only way to break a fall is with the guns exposed electical lines
erm ... yeah ill take any kind of mech over this thing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> First: APU's are supposed to look 'raw', like their world is. People of Zion didn't have time nor will to make fancy designs and armors and covers for their APU's.
Second: There will never be mechs used in real world anyway. They are way too unpractical, so it's kinda useless to debate if APU would be better or worse than a mechwarrior <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They are unpractical as far as cost is concerned (especially when they could get several armored tanks for the same cost as an APU).
However, they are sort of intuitive fork lifts like in Aliens 2 movie. I think it is possible and it will happen (just not for military usage).
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the battle at zion is, i think, the greatest cg battle sequence ever caught on film. it absolutely blew me away. not overdone, not underdone, the sheer scale was breathtaking, and it made you care. we had a really rowdy audience for the triple-shot zero hour release i went too, but they were just dead silent the whole movie, even people who ragged it out later on couldn't deny that at the time they were totally engrossed, and isn't that what its all about?\
i want an APU. go look at the <a href='http://www.spawn.com/features/matrix2/main.html' target='_blank'>McFarlaine toys</a>, they rock. i mean c'mon...
<img src='http://www.spawn.com/features/matrix2/images/apu.photo.03.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
But seriously. As I pointed out earlier: If I wanted hours of CG mech combat <i>I'd go play Mechwarrior!</i>
I'd want something that didn't look like a robo-monkey. I'll take an A.L.I.C.E. anyday.
Which are APU's just with a little more cooler armour.
I would want a Timber Wolf with 2xLRM 15, 2xMedium Laser, and 2 Autocannons (can't think of the name of the Armor Peircing weapon, so I called them Autocannons, need to play Mechwarrior 2 again, best mech game ever).
Haha, Elemental <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> , Run puny elementals, phear my Timber Wolf!!
<img src='http://home.cinci.rr.com/reboots/graphics/mech41.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Matrix: Revolutions was a big yawn. To make it short, I mostly agree with the reviews posted earlier in this thread by Cisqo.
So, why did I like the first movie? When I first watched it, it caught me off guard. The plot twisted and turned several times so I would not know where it ended. It was so unpredictable (for the most of the time) that I sat there thinking "Oh my, what happens now?". The action scenes were not only quite good, but gave the movie an intense fast-paced feeling to it.
The second movie was somewhat predictable though. But let's move on to the third one:
Revolutions was a big yawn -- way too predictable. The only thing I really wondered about was exactly HOW Neo would beat Smith at the end. Sure, there were some cool elements (I'm a 'mech fan myself), but please -- at least TRY to catch me off guard again. Please! That was the one major thing I loved about the first movie. That is the single major reason I wanted to see the second and third matrix movies. Oh, and it was some poor acting when Trinity died. Neo didn't seem all that sad, and I didn't really feel anything myself either.
the battle at zion is, i think, the greatest cg battle sequence ever caught on film. it absolutely blew me away. not overdone, not underdone, the sheer scale was breathtaking, and it made you care. we had a really rowdy audience for the triple-shot zero hour release i went too, but they were just dead silent the whole movie, even people who ragged it out later on couldn't deny that at the time they were totally engrossed, and isn't that what its all about?\
i want an APU. go look at the <a href='http://www.spawn.com/features/matrix2/main.html' target='_blank'>McFarlaine toys</a>, they rock. i mean c'mon...
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SOOOOOO preordered
other than that i didn't like the end, but better than m2
However, it does explain quite a lot in a 'short' amount of space. Personally, the only thing i did not like about the movie was the final battle between smith and neo too much lightning (hurt my eyes) and i felt it was filmed wrong. Hwoever, the rest of the movie i really loved <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The only truly terrible thign was that the matrix still exists and humans are still prisoners being used for energy, afetr watching the matrix i always felt the whole point was to at least free all the humans but this did not happen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In all i would say Matrix was the best followed my reloaded and revolutions on a joint second. Both having great and poor bits imo.
This is a quick sort of <u>MATRIX FOR DUMMIES</u> that explains the series.
Zion is real! The Matrix is not. The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose. The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again)but humans did not accept it as real. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).
The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.
The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus. The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program.
Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love. Onto Revolutions: Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the hopes that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.
Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for peace as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system. At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline, as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself.
The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh? For those that like biblical references, note the Jesus references all through the movie. Heck, the French Man is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect must be God - i.e. he destroys the world as has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.
However, it does explain quite a lot in a 'short' amount of space. Personally, the only thing i did not like about the movie was the final battle between smith and neo too much lightning (hurt my eyes) and i felt it was filmed wrong. Hwoever, the rest of the movie i really loved <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The only truly terrible thign was that the matrix still exists and humans are still prisoners being used for energy, afetr watching the matrix i always felt the whole point was to at least free all the humans but this did not happen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
In all i would say Matrix was the best followed my reloaded and revolutions on a joint second. Both having great and poor bits imo.
This is a quick sort of <u>MATRIX FOR DUMMIES</u> that explains the series.
Zion is real! The Matrix is not. The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose. The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again)but humans did not accept it as real. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).
The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.
The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus. The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program.
Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love. Onto Revolutions: Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the hopes that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.
Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for peace as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system. At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline, as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself.
The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh? For those that like biblical references, note the Jesus references all through the movie. Heck, the French Man is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect must be God - i.e. he destroys the world as has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
good stuff.
One question though... was it just me or did Smith say the Oracle was his mother? It would make some sense since the Oracle represents chaos and the Architect represents order. The Smith and Neo are created from mixing order with chaos (in the Matrix). Hence, Oracle is the mother of Smith. This would also mean that Neo and Smith or brothers and, well, one of them kills the other, a little bit of Cain and Abel there.
Blah blah blah.. people could probably go on all day with this...
five minutes in, the dialogue was so horrible i had to quit watching.
when the guy in the beginning shouted "Jesus H Christ!" when something bad happened, and yet they have never heard of Jesus in that world... it was blatantly out of character. the acting and dialogue was absolutely horrid.
say what you will of the effects, some loved them others thought they were overdone, i am talking about the literary parts.
this third movie just completely lacked any writing talent.
i still dont know who Tank is, aside from a random side cahracter, or why i should give a flying **** about the welfare of his girlfriend. and who was shooting the bazooka at the digger bots? two mroe random characters? helloo? perfect place to have our other side characters do soemthing!!! thats where the extras like tank and zee shouldve been.
when all the apu's died and they had to open gate three! all of a sudden, its up to you! only you, unnamed sixteen year old kid! only you can save us all and OPEN GATE THREE!
holy crap cheeseball horrible cliche sequence batman!
i liked the neo vs smith sequence, its really made sense. the imaginary equation that had to be rebalanced, smith was evil and neo was goodness, and when they fused all was set equal in the world again, it was great seeing smith accidentally quote the oracle after absorbing her, and funny how he thought he could take over the real world by going into bane.
now whats up with adding more characters in the third movie and rpetending they are important? whered the trainman come from and who made him named so retardedly and why does he look like a bum? that whole damn sequence was utterly random yet the directors pretended it was important?
good part; at least the movie ended before they started raving again at the end.
Matrix: Revolutions was a big yawn. To make it short, I mostly agree with the reviews posted earlier in this thread by Cisqo.
So, why did I like the first movie? When I first watched it, it caught me off guard. The plot twisted and turned several times so I would not know where it ended. It was so unpredictable (for the most of the time) that I sat there thinking "Oh my, what happens now?". The action scenes were not only quite good, but gave the movie an intense fast-paced feeling to it.
The second movie was somewhat predictable though. But let's move on to the third one:
Revolutions was a big yawn -- way too predictable. The only thing I really wondered about was exactly HOW Neo would beat Smith at the end. Sure, there were some cool elements (I'm a 'mech fan myself), but please -- at least TRY to catch me off guard again. Please! That was the one major thing I loved about the first movie. That is the single major reason I wanted to see the second and third matrix movies. Oh, and it was some poor acting when Trinity died. Neo didn't seem all that sad, and I didn't really feel anything myself either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. I nearly peed my pants when Neo did the bullet dodge for the first time. After that, slow-motion combat was just very badly choreographed kung-fu. I was yawning through Reloaded.
no body protection
exposed ammo
what looks like exposed hydraulic lines
exposed hydraulic pistons
the only way to break a fall is with the guns
exposed electical lines
erm ... yeah ill take any kind of mech over this thing
Also, it's been said before that a theory of why Smith called the oracle his mother is that she convinced the Merovingian to let the Trainman smuggle him back from Exile in the Machine world.
The Trainman is actually a little easier to explain. Go play Enter The Matrix (and don't complain about how much it sucks). Niobe and Ghost run into him about 1/4 of the way in.
His exact words: "72 Hours...72 hours"
Niobe: "What?"
Trainman: "That's how long Zion lasted last time"
And the APU's aren't death traps. Consider that they managed to take out a hell of a lot of sentinels before each one fell, and that they didn't get too damaged. Also, having everything covered is just as deadly, as it means more mass to try and get up and move. Watch The Animatrix "The Second Renaissance Part 2". They have "Frog" style APU's, which get massacred even more.
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Hes from the animatrix. Go watch it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
lol, id think thats the first place they'd come from if they were TUNNELING INTO ZION FROM ABOVE! =P just my opinion
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Maybe they were drilling from CHINA <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Program and the Second Renaissance's are available for FREE.
Unless you have 56k or can't spare 3-5$, you have NO excuse for not having seen The Animatrix.
Program and the Second Renaissance's are available for FREE.
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I dunno 'it sucks' sounded pretty good reason.
no body protection
exposed ammo
what looks like exposed hydraulic lines
exposed hydraulic pistons
the only way to break a fall is with the guns
exposed electical lines
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First: APU's are supposed to look 'raw', like their world is. People of Zion didn't have time nor will to make fancy designs and armors and covers for their APU's.
Second: There will never be mechs used in real world anyway. They are way too unpractical, so it's kinda useless to debate if APU would be better or worse than a mechwarrior <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
You aren't the same U-235 from Tribes2.org are you?
There aren't any agents at all in Revolutions. None. Zero. at all... interesting.
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If you noticed, EVERYBODY was smith. This is because, as you saw in Reloaded, Smith can take over agents too.
At the end, you never saw a civilian or agent, simply because he had taken over all their bodies.
no body protection
exposed ammo
what looks like exposed hydraulic lines
exposed hydraulic pistons
the only way to break a fall is with the guns
exposed electical lines
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First: APU's are supposed to look 'raw', like their world is. People of Zion didn't have time nor will to make fancy designs and armors and covers for their APU's.
Second: There will never be mechs used in real world anyway. They are way too unpractical, so it's kinda useless to debate if APU would be better or worse than a mechwarrior <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are unpractical as far as cost is concerned (especially when they could get several armored tanks for the same cost as an APU).
However, they are sort of intuitive fork lifts like in Aliens 2 movie. I think it is possible and it will happen (just not for military usage).
forklist in Matix = APU
but i don't like the idea of so many apu's running around in the matrix.. who's taking care of the kwiki-mart?