the fact is that wheels/treads 1: cost less 2: colst less to maintain 3: are easily maintained 4: require a simple 2 axis rotation for control (treads oly require one) as opposed to knees, ankles, toes (for balance) and anything else 5: are faster 6: are lighter
dread use the dash, its less annoying and it word-wraps
hellfires only have a ... 3-7 i think km range though but there are several alternatives
JDAM's dropped from high altitude HARMS tuned to the mech's radar system Tomohawks, etc
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<!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Nov 14 2003, 05:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Nov 14 2003, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Black Mage+Nov 13 2003, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Nov 13 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> has anyone else noticed that apu's are deathtraps?
no body protection exposed ammo what looks like exposed hydraulic lines exposed hydraulic pistons the only way to break a fall is with the guns exposed electical lines
erm ... yeah ill take any kind of mech over this thing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> First: APU's are supposed to look 'raw', like their world is. People of Zion didn't have time nor will to make fancy designs and armors and covers for their APU's.
Second: There will never be mechs used in real world anyway. They are way too unpractical, so it's kinda useless to debate if APU would be better or worse than a mechwarrior <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Look, d00d, if Ned Kelly could wear a bucket with a visor on his head, the people of Zion could have built metal covers to shield the pilots, however crude.
What puzzles me is what the APUs were actually designed for. Having the pilot so exposed makes them utterly useless for ranged combat. The only thing they'd be good for is exactly what they were used against - fighting something that can only attack at close range. You might as well use stationary AA\pillbox type guns. Which can be reloaded far more easily, I might add.
Even if we accept the notion that mech-type fighting units are a good idea, the APUs aren't very good at that. They amount to a pair of mobile machineguns; why exactly did they need to be mounted on hydraulic metal legs?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Matrix Revolutions: Smith: "I R teh Ubermensch! U R 0wn3d w/ my awesome Will!" Neo: "No! Because I will refute teh diabilical existential angst w/ kung fu!" Smith: "Argh! Now I must stand in the rain and shake my fist at you! Why? Why?" Neo: "Ha ha! I win by losing! I R teh Jesus!" The end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Nov 15 2003, 05:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Nov 15 2003, 05:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even if we accept the notion that mech-type fighting units are a good idea, the APUs aren't very good at that. They amount to a pair of mobile machineguns; why exactly did they need to be mounted on hydraulic metal legs? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> One reason, They look realy f****** cool.
Well I saw it yesterday and I liked it. 2 things though...
1) When Bane(human Smith) Stabbed that chick in the sickbay, she died in 2 seconds (small little blade). When trinity was lying there, she had like 9 fuc*ing rods through her, but she kept talking and yappin, and kinda picked when she would die. I think everone alive who saw that movie, wanted to jump in the screen and just kill the bitc* right away and get it over with!
2) that last fight was just so lame. Neo kept getting up and Smith kept beating the crap out of him. It would have been much better if it had been more like the subway fight in the first move and less of a GOKU vs VEGETA.
The Dock battle roxored, really hard! Thats what I came to see! A crazzy as* battle that went on for a while and made you feel like it could be you who was there! THAT WAS THE BEST PART OF THE MOVIE!
Over all I like it alot. Would have been a bit better with a few more fight sceens, but I left with the feeling it was a true ENDING.
But ask your self this, if you were the machines, and neo said, "we just want peace" after Neo did your dirty work and killed smith, wouldn't you just say SUCKER!!!! and kill all of ZION and turn that citying into a machine amusement park.
Also wouldn't peace with the machines kinda mean that the humans are not allowed back into the matrix. I don't know about you, but if I was in control and made a deal with someone, if they did anything I didn't like I would crush them pretty fast!
Your adding one human connotation to machines: Truth.
If you tell a machine what something is, it accepts that as fact, it does not have the emotions to look for subtlety.
Plus, the Logos is still in the machine city. What happens if the humans figure out how to set off the EMP from a long range?
I liked the end fight because it was DBZ'ish. So long as they don't shoot balls of energy that wipe out half the planet i'm fine.
[edit] Bane stabbed the medical women right in the heart with the scalpal (notice how it was sticking out? rammed between two ribs into the heart/aorta). Trinity was punctured in a bunch of places that didn't contain the heart. Liver, kidney's, bladder, intestines, bones, yes, but no heart. You bleed slower from non-arterial/veinous wounds.
I don't care if nothing was in her heart. She didn't seem to be in any pain and just wouldn't DIE! I was almost hoping that the ship would explode and just frigging kill her!
Some ppl just don't know when its time to stop talking and DIE!
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<!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Nov 24 2003, 09:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Nov 24 2003, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't care if nothing was in her heart. She didn't seem to be in any pain and just wouldn't DIE! I was almost hoping that the ship would explode and just frigging kill her!
Some ppl just don't know when its time to stop talking and DIE! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i didn't mind the drama. it seemed fitting.
she was a very conditioned woman, too. she'd almost died before, and actually died once.
that should condition you against shock (and the death that results from it), shouldn't it?
Regarding the comment about the lack of facial shield on the APU's...read some material on the site. It is clearly stated therein that the faceplates (originally) on the APU's were scrapped, as nobody could see the damn <i>actors</i>. Basically, the Brothers follow a simple philosophy: they <i>really</i> don't give a **** what you want in the movie. Are the APU's unrealistic and uneconomic? YES. Do they care? No.
It's in essence the 'Flayra' ideology: coolness over realism. If the two somehow meet in a cool fashion? Graaaavy. If they don't? They stick to the script and sacrifice realism for overall cinematic cooless. Again - this renders it a movie that's certainly not for everyone. Personally, after finally watching all three in sequence, I find the first the least enjoyable to watch. Personally? I'd rather enrich myself WHILE watching a story that I like unfold instead of watching the aforementioned 'noob fu.' In the end, I feel so much better for watching it. Unlike in the first movie, I actually walked away from <i>Reloaded</i> and <i>Revolutions</i> thinking about the cheme of things, plots, meaning and what have you instead of how "OMG PWNED! Smith was in the hallway of the first movie.
Try watching the first again - you'll really realize how utterly simple it is. <i>Reloaded</i> and <i>Revolutions</i> are the crux of geekdom.
Hmmm... I seem to recall that all the x-wing pilots flying suicide missions into the Death Star had on helmets and visors that obscured their faces, and I could still identify them and feel empathy for their hopeless plight. Honestly, you never really saw anything of the APU pilots faces except them yelling 'aaagghhhh!!!' and grimacing (like unprofessional little wienies - if I had ever showed that much emotion to my troops they would have thought I was a candyarse - calm and relaxed inspires the troops, not maniac silliness). A close in shot inside of an armored shell would have been just as good and would have kept their humanity intact. Leaving the film, even my wife thought the APU sequences were ridiculous, and she has the military comprehension level of a frenchman. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
The reload things was pretty dopey too. Nevermind that the apparent rate of fire on those things was about 1500RPM, which would have exhausted those ammo cans in about .5 seconds. But why bother with reloading? The infantry had those swell electric weapons which worked fine, and the AT gunners had those rockets which wasted massive diggers with ease. Why are the APU's still using .50 caliber machine guns???
And while I'm ranting, could they maybe have taken a few EMP's out of storage and just fired them off? Do they have a zero pre-stocking policy in Zion? Is everything on backorder, even when it's the ONLY weapon that works on machines effectively?
Matrix 1: We the Wachowski brothers had awesome reference material to work with from many excellent hard sci-fi writers over the years, like Phillip k. D1ck, Robert Heinlien, etc. We make a pretty kickass movie with awesome style.
Matrix 2: Ehhh, running a bit dry on ideas, let's stall them with incredibly dense dialogue and do the same stunts, but Bigger?.
Matrix 3: Ok, we have no idea how to tie this all up. Let's have a big scene out of Return of the Jedi then call it a day without explaining jack.
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By face plate, Dubbilex meant the entire view of the body of the actor was blocked/obscured, not just his face as to the X-Wing/Y-Wing pilot helmet reference.
But thanks MonsE for proving my theory to be 100% correct.
One little error that i did notice, when the rookie kid gets in the APU, you see that the ammo belts were severed and he only had something like 20 rounds hanging off the gun. He fires until it's dry, but the next external shot of the APU you see ammo belts still hanging from the guns. I may not know much about guns, but when he used all the ammo, the ammo shouldn't still be there, right?
Also, why do they all fire the APU guns "gangsta style"?
Oh yeah. And MonsE? You're a nublin <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Everybody knows that the ammo boxes used proprietary Phase Gate technology?.
Second, on a more serious note, the EMP's weren't whipped out on account of the simple fact that they would severely bork every bit of defense in the docks that the Zioniites had. This was not a step that Commander Locke wanted to take, as he was sure thet the APU's would be able to hold the sentinels and drills off.
Oh yeah. I'll say it again - all three movies in the trilogy were written as one - not as shameless cash-ins to a good movie.
they may have been written together, but I and the rest of the sequels' detractors maintain that the sequels can't hold a flame to the original movie. The producers knew they didn't have to try so hard to reel us back in. I know they got my 9 bucks or whatever I spent.
like, Star Wars was written in 6 parts wasn't it? I don't see too many people claiming eps. 1 and 2 were legit just because they were written at the same time as/before 4-6...
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Nov 25 2003, 07:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Nov 25 2003, 07:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But why bother with reloading? The infantry had those swell electric weapons which worked fine, and the AT gunners had those rockets which wasted massive diggers with ease. Why are the APU's still using .50 caliber machine guns??? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Range, I suspect. Mjolnirs have quite short range (that's what they're called. I know that from staying through the whole credits <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->), and to extend the range you'd have to expend a hell of a lot of power.
...
Anyway, that business about not being able to see the actors' face isn't really a very valid argument. How do you think they handle things in any of the myriad mecha animes? They show a scene inside the cockpit.
...
Am I the only one who didn't think Trinity's little speech at the end wasn't so bad? The one thing I don't get is that she specifically points out that she didn't have time to say what she wanted to say the first time, when she only had one bullet wound in her, but now that she has three cables spearing her she has all the time in the world...?
<!--QuoteBegin--DiscoZombie+Nov 24 2003, 09:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Nov 24 2003, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> like, Star Wars was written in 6 parts wasn't it? I don't see too many people claiming eps. 1 and 2 were legit just because they were written at the same time as/before 4-6... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's because they <i>weren't</i>. Star Wars was actually originally supposed to be 9 movies, but Lucas waited twenty-some years to write episodes 1, 2, and 3, and pulled the plug on the last three.
<!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Nov 24 2003, 09:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Nov 24 2003, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyway, that business about not being able to see the actors' face isn't really a very valid argument. How do you think they handle things in any of the myriad mecha animes? They show a scene inside the cockpit.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And folks wouldn't have complained about the cheesiness of THAT?! I know even I would have...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Am I the only one who didn't think Trinity's little speech at the end wasn't so bad? The one thing I don't get is that she specifically points out that she didn't have time to say what she wanted to say the first time, when she only had one bullet wound in her, but now that she has three cables spearing her she has all the time in the world...?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I definitely didn't hate the speech. Personally, I thought it was emotional and well-paced.
The bullet wound happened to be directly in her heart. The cables were not (they were actualy mostly through her stomach area and arms, and as such would take a long time to cause death.)
One thing that really bothered me in Matrix 2 that I can't seem to get over. It is like an itch I can't scratch.
Remember the freeway scene where Morpheus is on the top of a truck fighting an agent? At one point, he almost falls off, but manages to grab the agent's tie to keep from falling. The agent, pulled his weight to keep from falling. WHY?! Agents can respawn right? They don't exactly die. Why was this one particular agent afraid to die? Heck, an agent dives out of a window to kill Trinity, yet an agent can't let himself fall to kill Morpheus.
Ugh! Drives me crazy! I can't believe nobody else thought this. I seem to be the only one that is bothered by this.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Hawkeye+Nov 25 2003, 05:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Nov 25 2003, 05:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One thing that really bothered me in Matrix 2 that I can't seem to get over. It is like an itch I can't scratch.
Remember the freeway scene where Morpheus is on the top of a truck fighting an agent? At one point, he almost falls off, but manages to grab the agent's tie to keep from falling. The agent, pulled his weight to keep from falling. WHY?! Agents can respawn right? They don't exactly die. Why was this one particular agent afraid to die? Heck, an agent dives out of a window to kill Trinity, yet an agent can't let himself fall to kill Morpheus.
Ugh! Drives me crazy! I can't believe nobody else thought this. I seem to be the only one that is bothered by this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> the agents
must
kill.
if morpheus falls, they gotta go get him. the agent would rather take morpheus' head off, punch his skull in, or puncture his lungs with his ribs than have him possibly escape.
notice that, when morpheus is hanging off the side of the truck, the agent doesn't try to sweep his HANDS off, to make him FALL..
he tries to KICK HIM IN THE CHEST
OVER THE SIDE
OF THE TRUCK.
if you weren't trying to DIRECTLY KILL SOMEONE WITH YOUR BARE HANDS (or feet)
Anyone who thinks the APUs sucked (even you MonsE) are just messed up. I am a huge Mech Warrior Fan and play MW4 all the time. So I really love Mechs and watching that battle with the APUs was just awesome.
Also I agree with you MonsE, they would have gone through the Ammo Boxes a bit faster than they did. I also think the rnds were a bit bigger than .50AE too, so the boxes would have only held a few hundred rounds not the seeming serveral thousand they seemed too hold.
@Esuna. I noticed when "The Kid" was using the mech his ammo belts were destroyed but he did seem to still have enough rounds to shoot a wall of sentinals and than enough left over to shoot that chain. I figure that its the same reason the ammo boxes held thousands of rounds.
ITS A MOVIE! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I would love to have a real Mech, it doesn't even need guns, just give me a 60 ton walking monster!
<!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Nov 25 2003, 10:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Nov 25 2003, 10:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyone who thinks the APUs sucked (even you MonsE) are just messed up. I am a huge Mech Warrior Fan and play MW4 all the time. So I really love Mechs and watching that battle with the APUs was just awesome. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not denying the awesomeness of that CG battle, but I dislike the APU design exactly because I'm a huge Mechwarrior fan. I wouldn't want to pilot anything that vulnerable.
Was it just me, or did anyone else notice that it seemed like the control setup of the APUs meant that they could either be moving or shooting, but not both? Very inefficient, but I could be wrong.
Comments
Guess who won?
1: cost less
2: colst less to maintain
3: are easily maintained
4: require a simple 2 axis rotation for control (treads oly require one) as opposed to knees, ankles, toes (for balance) and anything else
5: are faster
6: are lighter
dread use the dash, its less annoying and it word-wraps
hellfires only have a ... 3-7 i think km range though but there are several alternatives
JDAM's dropped from high altitude
HARMS tuned to the mech's radar system
Tomohawks, etc
Of course, I think JESII (III) Tanks would be the coolest. It's a Missile tank.
Like, jampacked with missiles.
and ctrl+v for a space <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
no body protection
exposed ammo
what looks like exposed hydraulic lines
exposed hydraulic pistons
the only way to break a fall is with the guns
exposed electical lines
erm ... yeah ill take any kind of mech over this thing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First: APU's are supposed to look 'raw', like their world is. People of Zion didn't have time nor will to make fancy designs and armors and covers for their APU's.
Second: There will never be mechs used in real world anyway. They are way too unpractical, so it's kinda useless to debate if APU would be better or worse than a mechwarrior <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look, d00d, if Ned Kelly could wear a bucket with a visor on his head, the people of Zion could have built metal covers to shield the pilots, however crude.
What puzzles me is what the APUs were actually designed for. Having the pilot so exposed makes them utterly useless for ranged combat. The only thing they'd be good for is exactly what they were used against - fighting something that can only attack at close range. You might as well use stationary AA\pillbox type guns. Which can be reloaded far more easily, I might add.
Even if we accept the notion that mech-type fighting units are a good idea, the APUs aren't very good at that. They amount to a pair of mobile machineguns; why exactly did they need to be mounted on hydraulic metal legs?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Matrix Revolutions: Smith: "I R teh Ubermensch! U R 0wn3d w/ my awesome Will!" Neo: "No! Because I will refute teh diabilical existential angst w/ kung fu!" Smith: "Argh! Now I must stand in the rain and shake my fist at you! Why? Why?" Neo: "Ha ha! I win by losing! I R teh Jesus!" The end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One reason, They look realy f****** cool.
2 things though...
1) When Bane(human Smith) Stabbed that chick in the sickbay, she died in 2 seconds (small little blade). When trinity was lying there, she had like 9 fuc*ing rods through her, but she kept talking and yappin, and kinda picked when she would die. I think everone alive who saw that movie, wanted to jump in the screen and just kill the bitc* right away and get it over with!
2) that last fight was just so lame. Neo kept getting up and Smith kept beating the crap out of him. It would have been much better if it had been more like the subway fight in the first move and less of a GOKU vs VEGETA.
The Dock battle roxored, really hard! Thats what I came to see! A crazzy as* battle that went on for a while and made you feel like it could be you who was there! THAT WAS THE BEST PART OF THE MOVIE!
Over all I like it alot. Would have been a bit better with a few more fight sceens, but I left with the feeling it was a true ENDING.
But ask your self this, if you were the machines, and neo said, "we just want peace" after Neo did your dirty work and killed smith, wouldn't you just say
SUCKER!!!! and kill all of ZION and turn that citying into a machine amusement park.
Also wouldn't peace with the machines kinda mean that the humans are not allowed back into the matrix.
I don't know about you, but if I was in control and made a deal with someone, if they did anything I didn't like I would crush them pretty fast!
GOOD OVER ALL!
If you tell a machine what something is, it accepts that as fact, it does not have the emotions to look for subtlety.
Plus, the Logos is still in the machine city. What happens if the humans figure out how to set off the EMP from a long range?
I liked the end fight because it was DBZ'ish. So long as they don't shoot balls of energy that wipe out half the planet i'm fine.
[edit] Bane stabbed the medical women right in the heart with the scalpal (notice how it was sticking out? rammed between two ribs into the heart/aorta). Trinity was punctured in a bunch of places that didn't contain the heart. Liver, kidney's, bladder, intestines, bones, yes, but no heart. You bleed slower from non-arterial/veinous wounds.
I know for some time now i've not been bothered about seeing it, and i still feel Reloaded was a poor movie. But...
...
...wow.
The APU scenes just left me speechless, the waves of sentinels moving like schools of fish, it was just such an amazing sight.
Also, i absolutely adore how they went from sappy drame (Reloaded) to a hardcore sci-fi flick, it suits it so much more.
I can't really type much just... it was great.
matrix = sci fi/style/newbie Fu/mind-blowing newstuff
reloaded = less style/WTHu/supargunz/l333ttz0rz
revolutions = going back to the sci fi roots.
She didn't seem to be in any pain and just wouldn't DIE!
I was almost hoping that the ship would explode and just frigging kill her!
Some ppl just don't know when its time to stop talking and DIE!
She didn't seem to be in any pain and just wouldn't DIE!
I was almost hoping that the ship would explode and just frigging kill her!
Some ppl just don't know when its time to stop talking and DIE! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i didn't mind the drama. it seemed fitting.
she was a very conditioned woman, too. she'd almost died before, and actually died once.
that should condition you against shock (and the death that results from it), shouldn't it?
It's in essence the 'Flayra' ideology: coolness over realism. If the two somehow meet in a cool fashion? Graaaavy. If they don't? They stick to the script and sacrifice realism for overall cinematic cooless. Again - this renders it a movie that's certainly not for everyone. Personally, after finally watching all three in sequence, I find the first the least enjoyable to watch. Personally? I'd rather enrich myself WHILE watching a story that I like unfold instead of watching the aforementioned 'noob fu.' In the end, I feel so much better for watching it. Unlike in the first movie, I actually walked away from <i>Reloaded</i> and <i>Revolutions</i> thinking about the cheme of things, plots, meaning and what have you instead of how "OMG PWNED! Smith was in the hallway of the first movie.
Try watching the first again - you'll really realize how utterly simple it is. <i>Reloaded</i> and <i>Revolutions</i> are the crux of geekdom.
The reload things was pretty dopey too. Nevermind that the apparent rate of fire on those things was about 1500RPM, which would have exhausted those ammo cans in about .5 seconds. But why bother with reloading? The infantry had those swell electric weapons which worked fine, and the AT gunners had those rockets which wasted massive diggers with ease. Why are the APU's still using .50 caliber machine guns???
And while I'm ranting, could they maybe have taken a few EMP's out of storage and just fired them off? Do they have a zero pre-stocking policy in Zion? Is everything on backorder, even when it's the ONLY weapon that works on machines effectively?
Matrix 1: We the Wachowski brothers had awesome reference material to work with from many excellent hard sci-fi writers over the years, like Phillip k. D1ck, Robert Heinlien, etc. We make a pretty kickass movie with awesome style.
Matrix 2: Ehhh, running a bit dry on ideas, let's stall them with incredibly dense dialogue and do the same stunts, but Bigger?.
Matrix 3: Ok, we have no idea how to tie this all up. Let's have a big scene out of Return of the Jedi then call it a day without explaining jack.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><b>Stay on target... staay on taarrrget!</b></span>
But thanks MonsE for proving my theory to be 100% correct.
Also, why do they all fire the APU guns "gangsta style"?
Oh yeah. And MonsE? You're a nublin <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Everybody knows that the ammo boxes used proprietary Phase Gate technology?.
Second, on a more serious note, the EMP's weren't whipped out on account of the simple fact that they would severely bork every bit of defense in the docks that the Zioniites had. This was not a step that Commander Locke wanted to take, as he was sure thet the APU's would be able to hold the sentinels and drills off.
Oh yeah. I'll say it again - all three movies in the trilogy were written as one - not as shameless cash-ins to a good movie.
Can't beat that with a <i>stick</i>...
like, Star Wars was written in 6 parts wasn't it? I don't see too many people claiming eps. 1 and 2 were legit just because they were written at the same time as/before 4-6...
Range, I suspect. Mjolnirs have quite short range (that's what they're called. I know that from staying through the whole credits <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->), and to extend the range you'd have to expend a hell of a lot of power.
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Anyway, that business about not being able to see the actors' face isn't really a very valid argument. How do you think they handle things in any of the myriad mecha animes? They show a scene inside the cockpit.
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Am I the only one who didn't think Trinity's little speech at the end wasn't so bad? The one thing I don't get is that she specifically points out that she didn't have time to say what she wanted to say the first time, when she only had one bullet wound in her, but now that she has three cables spearing her she has all the time in the world...?
That's because they <i>weren't</i>. Star Wars was actually originally supposed to be 9 movies, but Lucas waited twenty-some years to write episodes 1, 2, and 3, and pulled the plug on the last three.
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And folks wouldn't have complained about the cheesiness of THAT?! I know even I would have...
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I definitely didn't hate the speech. Personally, I thought it was emotional and well-paced.
The bullet wound happened to be directly in her heart. The cables were not (they were actualy mostly through her stomach area and arms, and as such would take a long time to cause death.)
Whatever....
Remember the freeway scene where Morpheus is on the top of a truck fighting an agent? At one point, he almost falls off, but manages to grab the agent's tie to keep from falling. The agent, pulled his weight to keep from falling. WHY?! Agents can respawn right? They don't exactly die. Why was this one particular agent afraid to die? Heck, an agent dives out of a window to kill Trinity, yet an agent can't let himself fall to kill Morpheus.
Ugh! Drives me crazy! I can't believe nobody else thought this. I seem to be the only one that is bothered by this.
Remember the freeway scene where Morpheus is on the top of a truck fighting an agent? At one point, he almost falls off, but manages to grab the agent's tie to keep from falling. The agent, pulled his weight to keep from falling. WHY?! Agents can respawn right? They don't exactly die. Why was this one particular agent afraid to die? Heck, an agent dives out of a window to kill Trinity, yet an agent can't let himself fall to kill Morpheus.
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the agents
must
kill.
if morpheus falls, they gotta go get him. the agent would rather take morpheus' head off, punch his skull in, or puncture his lungs with his ribs than have him possibly escape.
notice that, when morpheus is hanging off the side of the truck, the agent doesn't try to sweep his HANDS off, to make him FALL..
he tries to KICK HIM IN THE CHEST
OVER THE SIDE
OF THE TRUCK.
if you weren't trying to DIRECTLY KILL SOMEONE WITH YOUR BARE HANDS (or feet)
why would you do that?
I am a huge Mech Warrior Fan and play MW4 all the time. So I really love Mechs and watching that battle with the APUs was just awesome.
Also I agree with you MonsE, they would have gone through the Ammo Boxes a bit faster than they did. I also think the rnds were a bit bigger than .50AE too, so the boxes would have only held a few hundred rounds not the seeming serveral thousand they seemed too hold.
@Esuna. I noticed when "The Kid" was using the mech his ammo belts were destroyed but he did seem to still have enough rounds to shoot a wall of sentinals and than enough left over to shoot that chain. I figure that its the same reason the ammo boxes held thousands of rounds.
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I would love to have a real Mech, it doesn't even need guns, just give me a 60 ton walking monster!
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I'm not denying the awesomeness of that CG battle, but I dislike the APU design exactly because I'm a huge Mechwarrior fan. I wouldn't want to pilot anything that vulnerable.
I would love to have a Diashi!