<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'><b>DUDE THAT IS NOT MY QUOTE IN YOUR SIG!!!! IT'S INFINITUMS!!!!!</b></span></span>
Anyway
I wouldn't say the BBC are a bunch of idiots they have some amazing programming and the news isn't half bad.
Neo has the power to explode the machines... Why didn't Neo just stay in Zion and explode the machines... and like... they wouldn't explode like the Sentinel Bombs, they'd zap like the 5 he did at the end of Reloaded....
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THEN go kick the arse out of the machines... like why would they give a crap about the Matrix if their whole civilization was under threat... priorities people...
Neo can only destroy a certain amount of sentinels with his powers, hence why the Logos had to go above the clouds to avoid the swarm of sentinels attacking the ship.
If Neo had gone to Zion instead of the Machine City, they would have eventually been overrun by sentinels, and Smith would have taken over the Matrix completely and destroyed all the machines.
Also some stuff about why they didn't have EMP devices in Zion. They weren't expecting the machines to dig and attack through the pipe lines like that and if they had EMP everywhere they wouldn't be able to run anything.
Also someone was saying how the Armor should have cockpits, if you noticed Zion is underground and pretty much nothing is made out of glass, glass would be incredibly hard to manufacture underground and metal cockpits are a little hard to see through. Maybe they could have made holo-interfaces for the Armor but conisdering there were thousands of them I don't think they could afford to do that.
The Dock wasn't intended to be a defensive position...none of Zion was. Putting an EMP there would be like putting 15 tons of explosives at the structural weakpoint of a parking ramp.
Manufacturing glass would be easy enough, they would only have to find some mica. However, glass is fragile, and probably wouldn't help much.
first, something from another thread: <!--QuoteBegin--DocterJ+Nov 4 2003, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DocterJ @ Nov 4 2003, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Trinity dies by being impaled.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> did he SEE the movie before it was released?? or was the movie just as predictable to other ppl as it was to me =P
first, a general question that's always bugged me about the matrix:
Humanity scorched the sky to attempt to stop the machines' solar power. did humanity overlook the fact that the sun is the source of all significant life on earth? what exactly did people begin to eat? mushrooms? each other? or do people in the matrix universe not eat, like people in most RPGs...
now I'll post my thoughts in trying to understand exactly why the third movie unfolded the way it did:
the architect created an imperfect matrix because people rejected a utopic one.
a 'one' is periodically chosen to restart zion when it's periodically destroyed -- or so the architect said in the 2nd movie.
why don't the machines just kill everyone who rejects the matrix, rather than letting them form a city? what sense does that make?
the third movie suggested that that wasn't entirely true anyway. rather, it seems that the oracle and the architect are opposing forces keeping the matrix in balance. the architect keeps it orderly, the oracle makes it a little chaotic. The architect suggested the oracle orchestrated the whole smith/neo thing -- which suggests that the whole zion thing and the fate of humanity is just a game the oracle and architect play with each other...
why did the matrix keep its word? why didn't it just destroy zion anyway? the matrix uses people as ENERGY -- as FOOD. why on earth would it honor a promise?
most importantly of all, Neo SUCKED even more than he did in the second movie. he can't do a single thing on his own. he gets his **** kicked and blinded by smith in someone else's body. he gets his **** kicked by smith in the matrix. he gets assimilated by smith and is only 'rescued' by the matrix channeling all its power into him... which makes him completely pointless and superfluous... he spends 2/3 the movie unconscious... hell, he even gets beat up by a homeless man in a train station...
just like Star Wars will always be thought of as a trilogy to some people, I'll always think of The Matrix as just one movie (maybe the Animatrix can count too). The first movie made perfect sense in its context, it was a complete entity... the next two movies convoluted it with pseudo-philosophy and just fed off the first movie's success...
I thought we made it clear this isn't an anti-matrix thread. Go start your own thread with everyone else that didn't understand the basic concepts of the movie.
The reason machines keep their word is becaue actions are done by commands, so if correct me if I'm wrong, but if Neo says I will stop Smith if you let the humans live the machine must carry out its end of the bargain as its part of the command that was executed.
Any there was obvioulsy alot of honor involved with it, seeing as how after Neo let the Machine God delete smith (he didn't get overloaded with power like the crackhead above me suggested) they took his body away very ceremony like. The oracle wasn't behind the unbalancing I think it was just an inate mathematical error in the Matrix, Neo and company were going to be the last of the problem, so I figure it was something fixable?
And just like people liked the Matrix because it was "pop" there will be people who actually like all three movies
Sadly, I can come up with an answer to each of those questions.
The humans eat protein-meal (remember, it tastes like Tastee-Wheat?).
The Architect is incapable of lying. It is a program bound by the parameters of perfection. You can believe pretty much all of what it says, except the stuff about what will happen in the future.
The humans are allowed (actually forced) to make a city to generate sympathy for humans in the One. Also, it's not the humans that are rejected that make Zion, they're hand-picked by the One. Other citizens of Zion are born there, or freed from the Matrix.
The machine world keeps its promise because it desires an end to the war. War is bad, peace is good.
Neo is beaten by the Trainman because the Trainman makes the rules for the subway station. He has absolute control over it. The machines channel power into Neo to purify the Matrix. Neo and Smith were combined, so the machines had a direct link to Smith. Smith was overloaded and popped. This also signifies the new "harmony" of humans and A.I.
Don't forget the fact that Neo ended up disseminating his code into the Matrix just like he was supposed to, so after everything that happened he still followed his destiny.
The architect however never thought humans and machines could live in peace, he believed humans would always try to destroy them, the Oracle always thought there was hope for peace and I suppose she was aware that after this Reload of the Matrix the equation would be balanced for good and no humans would be free from the Matrix again that's why she used Smith to pose a great enough danger to the Machine God to have it make a promise of peace.
Makes a kind of sense, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
Isn't it strange how they in the first movie said that the EMP was the only weapon they had against the machines. Then in Reloaded and specially Revolutions there were guns everywhere <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> . Anyway. So the Oracle was the "mother" of matrix. But in Reloaded in the Architect scene the Architect rejects Neos suggestion that the mother is the Oracle. Did I just miss something or what?
I'm pretty sure it was like a rhetorical "It's our only "real" weapon against them" as in the only thing that can kill a lot of them, and considering EMPs are only equipped on ships which have much less firepower then the Zion defences it's more or less true.
The archictect rejects Neo calling her "oracle". "If I am the father of the Matrix she would undoubtedly be it's mother." Neo: "The oracle..." Archy: "Please" as in what a childish name for her.
I don't think her real name was ever used, I'm assuming the Architect knows her by her program name, it could be binary for all we know.
It's like Thomas Anderson = Neo, Thomas Anerson was the name assigned to him by the Matrix but Neo is his hacker alias, so I'm assuming Oracle = ? according the Matrix.
Thank God for dr.d and kage, this thread was giving me a headache. I think the problems people site about the movies can be summed up by
" I am so mad the Wachowski's didnt sell out, OMG what were they thinking actually sticking to the story they wanted to tell? WTH do you mean the movie had a deeper meaning? I thought it was all about how cool Neo looked as bullets wizzed by him in slow-mo. "
I'm glad that true fans of The Matrix enjoyed the series, and I think its sad that the general public cant seem to handle tension in movies (ie Laughing at Trinity's dying words, and or Laughing when The Bride in Kill Bill tried to "will" or "meditate" her muscles to work in the parking lot of the hospital)
I was really dissapointed with this film dunno why tbh the dock battles was fun but dragged on for to long, the "big" fight at the end sucked except when Neo punched smith in the face and they showed it in slow motion that made me chuckle <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> . Trinity took tooooooooooooo looooooong to die FFS.
In short I think I didn't like it because
A: To much chin wagging and not enough action B: Morphious looked even fatter this time (beef cake) C: Trinity looked even older
Oh yeah the sound track this time round was crap I though, where as in the first 2 it was great and flowed with the action sequences perfectly.
Yeah, the soundtrack has good parts (the Neo/Smith fight music), bad parts (The Trainman Cometh), and near remixes from the Reloaded soundtrack (the tiny skirmish outside of the Hell Club). I'm not sure if I'll buy it, especially because it only has about 5 songs.
I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that Revolutions didn't leave as many loose ends as Reloaded. There was so much to talk about then, but I can't think of much now.
Well I finally saw it today, and I was surprised that I enjoyed it much more than I thought. In my opinion, it was much better than Reloaded and kept my attention better. I was also happy with the ending, since it wasn't perfect but not completely bad either. Also, most of the actors acted a little better this time around. The only big dissappointments were that Fishbourne still didn't deliver (and he should of since he did good in Othello and better in the original Matrix), and the person who played the Oracle. In short she just screwed the part over completely. I also liked the action sequences better and the same goes for the special effects.
*<i>sighhh</i>* Someone tell me how it is that those who complained about <i>too much</i> action in Reloaded managed to state that there"Wasn't enough" in Revolutions. Anyone? I think people are just confused...plain confused.
Let me start at the beginning. I saw the movie about three hours ago, and can confidently say that it was every bit as good as the first, in my opinion. The action was great, the pacing was awesome, it was full of emotion....It was just great, great stuff. While I admit that the dock scene lasted for a bit of a long time, it was still very, very cool. How can anybody say that there is nobody to empathize with during this segment? Are those who believe this really that shallow as to only pay attention to and care about the four main characters? Bullsh*t, I say. During this entire scene my heart was racing...I was sweating, anxious. I honestly cared about the people of Zion. This even carried through to the last scene (Neo vs. Smith): while many (like that scumsucker Ebert) like to say (like every other blindsighted media 'establishment' in the country, who think that by pointing out faults in this series that they are deemed more intelligent and respectable) that there was no emotion in this scene. Anybody who supports this statement either needs to pay a little more attention to the plot, or <i>sober up</i> a little. Again - knowing that so much was on the line, while also not knowing what kind of twist ending the Brothers would whip out, had me on the edge of my seat. Honestly.
On another note: <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>ALL THREE SCRIPTS WERE WRITTEN AS A WHOLE. THE TWO SEQUELS WERE NOT HASTILY WRITTEN AFFAIRS WHIPPED OUT AFTERWARDS TO SATISFY THE MORONIC MOVIE CULTURE. KNOW THIS, AND KNOW IT WELL.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Crisgo - Some things are written literally, others are not. It is called "satire," and you run into it a lot when you get into big kid writting. Seriously, did I really have to explain that to you or were you just trying to find a flaw in the review? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
IF you're reading reviews for satire....there's absolutely no hope for you. The evidence of this 'satire' (I like to call it blind ignorance, but to each his own....) pervades the bullish pieces that you posted on a previous page. Trust me - a <i>satirical review is not a good, objective source.</i>
Lastly, I'd like to point out that the first Matrix indeed got the "OMG One and One Half Stars" scores that both the second and third got...you just wouldn't know, because you decided to follow the crowd in saying that it's good. Check your references, please. The first was not initially well-recieved by any critics at all. Now I'll bet you didn't know that tidbit about your "precious" <i>Matrix</i>, now did you? Again. Check your credentials before making a complete nutsack of yourself <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> These scores mean nothing. If you're going to dock Revolutions points for getting crappy reviews, then make sure to hit the other two with the same eager critical attitude. But No...I don't think you'll do that, huh?
Yes, I believe that you'll continue to follow the faux-intellectual bandwagon of these times and denounce such a piece as the complete Matrix trilogy based on little intellectual knowledge of the actual situation. However, I don't blame you at all. Such an attitude is just a byproduct of the **** manipulative "critics" of our time. In the future, just "think for yourself, schmuck." <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh yes. My single criticism would be the overly pervasive "martyr" images in the end (i.e. the glowing cross that appears out of his chest and the machine turning into an Angel). These seemed a bit of overkill to me - things like this just show how even the Wachiowski's must cater to a moronic crowd that couldn't find their way out of a paper bag.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the Wachowskis wrote the second and third after making the first. At some point late in the development of the first, or possibly after its release, they officially decided to make it a trilogy. This info was in Forbes recently (not sure which month, it has a marijuana leaf on the cover).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smith, I have no idea how to put Smith into religious context. Sin maybe, how it spreads so easily and consumes all. The people were consumed by Sin (i.e. replicated into Smiths) and Neo saved them by willingly giving up his life.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rather, the mark of the Beast?
What I didn't understand was, why was destroying Smith ending the war? The purpose of killing Zion was to assimilate them into the matrix or kill them and have no more resistance. How did anything change when Smith died?
Was the Deux Ex Machina the architect in "real life" form?
Why did the matrix survive after everyone was freed? I thought machines lost their power (to a large degree) after freeing everyone?
wow, it's amazing how hastily people will resort to calling you a 'crackhead' just because they don't want illusions about the matrix movies' coolness shattered...
alright, i'll accept that the machine god couldn't lie, since such a big deal is made of humans having choices and programs not (though smith made choices about destroying everything, and the mother and father programs make a choice to save their daughter who goes to live with the oracle, etc)... I still don't see exactly why it's beneficial to the matrix to allow zion to exist. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Any there was obvioulsy alot of honor involved with it, seeing as how after Neo let the Machine God delete smith (he didn't get overloaded with power like the crackhead above me suggested) they took his body away very ceremony like. The oracle wasn't behind the unbalancing I think it was just an inate mathematical error in the Matrix, Neo and company were going to be the last of the problem, so I figure it was something fixable?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Where do you get this 'let the Machine God delete smith' stuff from? you see tons of power flowing through those conduits into Neo's body, making him glow orange and such; you don't see a 'delete smith' command. Why would the machine god need neo to do that anyway, if that was the case, rather than just deleting him? and after that whole delete scene happens, I had to think about what a waste of time the last half hour of fight scene was -- why didn't the machine god just tell neo to let smith try to take him over so it could delete him from the start ;p and if Smith was just a mathematical error, why did the architect say to the oracle, "You played a dangerous game this time"? He's suggesting that the oracle helped orchestrate the whole smith thing...
as for the humans eating protein-meal -- well, protein is an organic product, so I'm assuming they've learned to cultivate some sort of edible bacteria or fungus that grows from geothermal energy, because all life requires an energy input... and geothermal power generally isn't sufficient to support life under normal circumstances, but it's a sci-fi movie so I guess there's no use nitpicking. It's just hard for me to envision humanity ever having the audacity/stupidity to block out the sun, even if it was powering a war against them...
Wow. That movie was awesome. I don't know how any real fans could NOT like it. It had everything a Matrix fan could ask for, with the exception of hardcore gunplay. Oh well.
Neo and Smith are opposite sides of the unbalanced equation of the Matrix, right? The source absorbed Neo into it once Smith took it over. In that process, the source was able to take over Smith as well. The Matrix was balanced because the Source neturalized both imbalancing factors! People would then get a choice, as well as have it work flawlessly. Smith, as a program, was brought into the source an absorbed. Neo, as a human, is brought into the source and combined with it. Thats why the Matrix didn't go all loony when Smith entered the source- he wasn't able to wreak havoc. Neo, on the otherhand, was able to restore everything.
The Oracle realizes this, and says she thinks they'll see Neo again, because Neo is everything in the Matrix now. Its very, very religious. Neo died to save everyone and in the process, became one with 'God', the Matrix.
Reloaded makes so much more sense now. You can really see how the movies fit together so nicely. Causality, choice, sacrafice. If you think while watching Revolutions, its incredibly deep. You need to view the works as a whole to grasp their meaning.
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holy sh*t, jammer.. that's exactly what i thought.
<b>edit:</b> and about all the works as a whole, that's part of what i meant too... movies A, B, and C... all different but all essential to each other. it's not a series of episodes.. it's a story. ^____^
like.. you're supposed to see him in everything, in the rainbow.. in the de ja vu kitty... everything *_*!
This movie was...OMG so good! It kept my attention better than the first two and definatley put more emphasis on philosophy than OMG LETS BLOW STUFF UP! OMG LOL!!!!11!!!1 I enjoyed that, and the fight scenes actually had a meaning, unlike in most other movies... My favourite parts: Piloting the hammer through the tunnels! OMG that was so freaking leet, the **** they pulled of and the sentinels! Docks Defence! For obvious reasons Approach to the machien city. Can you say BOOM? and Fire? The clouds. Touching, knowing thats the first and last time trinity sees the sky. Final Fight Scene and the whole City of Light. Good mix of action and meaning.
What i didnt like: Neo+Bane fight. Neo's about a dumb as a pole in that scene. The comercials befor the movie. OMG get to the movie!
Just general good moments: Neo trying to get out of the train station. the whole theater started laughing at this...I dont know why but still it feels good laughing. Pretty much the whole movie. YAY its good! Not some cheap POS like other movies that have no point whatsoever.
9.5/10 <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> In short: It pwns see it NOW!
It basically comes down to that Matrix 1 was mind shattering, and people expected the exact same things to be in 2 and 3. That didn't happen. I loved them, but to each their own opinion. Lets not start flaming each other just cause they disagree.
Comments
Anyway
I wouldn't say the BBC are a bunch of idiots they have some amazing programming and the news isn't half bad.
Neo has the power to explode the machines...
Why didn't Neo just stay in Zion and explode the machines... and like... they wouldn't explode like the Sentinel Bombs, they'd zap like the 5 he did at the end of Reloaded....
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THEN go kick the arse out of the machines... like why would they give a crap about the Matrix if their whole civilization was under threat... priorities people...
If Neo had gone to Zion instead of the Machine City, they would have eventually been overrun by sentinels, and Smith would have taken over the Matrix completely and destroyed all the machines.
Also some stuff about why they didn't have EMP devices in Zion. They weren't expecting the machines to dig and attack through the pipe lines like that and if they had EMP everywhere they wouldn't be able to run anything.
Also someone was saying how the Armor should have cockpits, if you noticed Zion is underground and pretty much nothing is made out of glass, glass would be incredibly hard to manufacture underground and metal cockpits are a little hard to see through. Maybe they could have made holo-interfaces for the Armor but conisdering there were thousands of them I don't think they could afford to do that.
Manufacturing glass would be easy enough, they would only have to find some mica. However, glass is fragile, and probably wouldn't help much.
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did he SEE the movie before it was released?? or was the movie just as predictable to other ppl as it was to me =P
first, a general question that's always bugged me about the matrix:
Humanity scorched the sky to attempt to stop the machines' solar power. did humanity overlook the fact that the sun is the source of all significant life on earth? what exactly did people begin to eat? mushrooms? each other? or do people in the matrix universe not eat, like people in most RPGs...
now I'll post my thoughts in trying to understand exactly why the third movie unfolded the way it did:
the architect created an imperfect matrix because people rejected a utopic one.
a 'one' is periodically chosen to restart zion when it's periodically destroyed -- or so the architect said in the 2nd movie.
why don't the machines just kill everyone who rejects the matrix, rather than letting them form a city? what sense does that make?
the third movie suggested that that wasn't entirely true anyway. rather, it seems that the oracle and the architect are opposing forces keeping the matrix in balance. the architect keeps it orderly, the oracle makes it a little chaotic. The architect suggested the oracle orchestrated the whole smith/neo thing -- which suggests that the whole zion thing and the fate of humanity is just a game the oracle and architect play with each other...
why did the matrix keep its word? why didn't it just destroy zion anyway? the matrix uses people as ENERGY -- as FOOD. why on earth would it honor a promise?
most importantly of all, Neo SUCKED even more than he did in the second movie. he can't do a single thing on his own. he gets his **** kicked and blinded by smith in someone else's body. he gets his **** kicked by smith in the matrix. he gets assimilated by smith and is only 'rescued' by the matrix channeling all its power into him... which makes him completely pointless and superfluous... he spends 2/3 the movie unconscious... hell, he even gets beat up by a homeless man in a train station...
just like Star Wars will always be thought of as a trilogy to some people, I'll always think of The Matrix as just one movie (maybe the Animatrix can count too). The first movie made perfect sense in its context, it was a complete entity... the next two movies convoluted it with pseudo-philosophy and just fed off the first movie's success...
blah. I'm done now.
The reason machines keep their word is becaue actions are done by commands, so if correct me if I'm wrong, but if Neo says I will stop Smith if you let the humans live the machine must carry out its end of the bargain as its part of the command that was executed.
Any there was obvioulsy alot of honor involved with it, seeing as how after Neo let the Machine God delete smith (he didn't get overloaded with power like the crackhead above me suggested) they took his body away very ceremony like. The oracle wasn't behind the unbalancing I think it was just an inate mathematical error in the Matrix, Neo and company were going to be the last of the problem, so I figure it was something fixable?
And just like people liked the Matrix because it was "pop" there will be people who actually like all three movies
The humans eat protein-meal (remember, it tastes like Tastee-Wheat?).
The Architect is incapable of lying. It is a program bound by the parameters of perfection. You can believe pretty much all of what it says, except the stuff about what will happen in the future.
The humans are allowed (actually forced) to make a city to generate sympathy for humans in the One. Also, it's not the humans that are rejected that make Zion, they're hand-picked by the One. Other citizens of Zion are born there, or freed from the Matrix.
The machine world keeps its promise because it desires an end to the war. War is bad, peace is good.
Neo is beaten by the Trainman because the Trainman makes the rules for the subway station. He has absolute control over it. The machines channel power into Neo to purify the Matrix. Neo and Smith were combined, so the machines had a direct link to Smith. Smith was overloaded and popped. This also signifies the new "harmony" of humans and A.I.
The architect however never thought humans and machines could live in peace, he believed humans would always try to destroy them, the Oracle always thought there was hope for peace and I suppose she was aware that after this Reload of the Matrix the equation would be balanced for good and no humans would be free from the Matrix again that's why she used Smith to pose a great enough danger to the Machine God to have it make a promise of peace.
Makes a kind of sense, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
Anyway. So the Oracle was the "mother" of matrix. But in Reloaded in the Architect scene the Architect rejects Neos suggestion that the mother is the Oracle. Did I just miss something or what?
The archictect rejects Neo calling her "oracle". "If I am the father of the Matrix she would undoubtedly be it's mother." Neo: "The oracle..." Archy: "Please" as in what a childish name for her.
It's like Thomas Anderson = Neo, Thomas Anerson was the name assigned to him by the Matrix but Neo is his hacker alias, so I'm assuming Oracle = ? according the Matrix.
" I am so mad the Wachowski's didnt sell out, OMG what were they thinking actually sticking to the story they wanted to tell? WTH do you mean the movie had a deeper meaning? I thought it was all about how cool Neo looked as bullets wizzed by him in slow-mo. "
I'm glad that true fans of The Matrix enjoyed the series, and I think its sad that the general public cant seem to handle tension in movies (ie Laughing at Trinity's dying words, and or Laughing when The Bride in Kill Bill tried to "will" or "meditate" her muscles to work in the parking lot of the hospital)
Trinity took tooooooooooooo looooooong to die FFS.
In short I think I didn't like it because
A: To much chin wagging and not enough action
B: Morphious looked even fatter this time (beef cake)
C: Trinity looked even older
Oh yeah the sound track this time round was crap I though, where as in the first 2 it was great and flowed with the action sequences perfectly.
I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that Revolutions didn't leave as many loose ends as Reloaded. There was so much to talk about then, but I can't think of much now.
Let me start at the beginning. I saw the movie about three hours ago, and can confidently say that it was every bit as good as the first, in my opinion. The action was great, the pacing was awesome, it was full of emotion....It was just great, great stuff. While I admit that the dock scene lasted for a bit of a long time, it was still very, very cool. How can anybody say that there is nobody to empathize with during this segment? Are those who believe this really that shallow as to only pay attention to and care about the four main characters? Bullsh*t, I say. During this entire scene my heart was racing...I was sweating, anxious. I honestly cared about the people of Zion. This even carried through to the last scene (Neo vs. Smith): while many (like that scumsucker Ebert) like to say (like every other blindsighted media 'establishment' in the country, who think that by pointing out faults in this series that they are deemed more intelligent and respectable) that there was no emotion in this scene. Anybody who supports this statement either needs to pay a little more attention to the plot, or <i>sober up</i> a little. Again - knowing that so much was on the line, while also not knowing what kind of twist ending the Brothers would whip out, had me on the edge of my seat. Honestly.
On another note: <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>ALL THREE SCRIPTS WERE WRITTEN AS A WHOLE. THE TWO SEQUELS WERE NOT HASTILY WRITTEN AFFAIRS WHIPPED OUT AFTERWARDS TO SATISFY THE MORONIC MOVIE CULTURE. KNOW THIS, AND KNOW IT WELL.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Crisgo - Some things are written literally, others are not. It is called "satire," and you run into it a lot when you get into big kid writting. Seriously, did I really have to explain that to you or were you just trying to find a flaw in the review? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
IF you're reading reviews for satire....there's absolutely no hope for you. The evidence of this 'satire' (I like to call it blind ignorance, but to each his own....) pervades the bullish pieces that you posted on a previous page. Trust me - a <i>satirical review is not a good, objective source.</i>
Lastly, I'd like to point out that the first Matrix indeed got the "OMG One and One Half Stars" scores that both the second and third got...you just wouldn't know, because you decided to follow the crowd in saying that it's good. Check your references, please. The first was not initially well-recieved by any critics at all. Now I'll bet you didn't know that tidbit about your "precious" <i>Matrix</i>, now did you? Again. Check your credentials before making a complete nutsack of yourself <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> These scores mean nothing. If you're going to dock Revolutions points for getting crappy reviews, then make sure to hit the other two with the same eager critical attitude. But No...I don't think you'll do that, huh?
Yes, I believe that you'll continue to follow the faux-intellectual bandwagon of these times and denounce such a piece as the complete Matrix trilogy based on little intellectual knowledge of the actual situation. However, I don't blame you at all. Such an attitude is just a byproduct of the **** manipulative "critics" of our time. In the future, just "think for yourself, schmuck." <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh yes. My single criticism would be the overly pervasive "martyr" images in the end (i.e. the glowing cross that appears out of his chest and the machine turning into an Angel). These seemed a bit of overkill to me - things like this just show how even the Wachiowski's must cater to a moronic crowd that couldn't find their way out of a paper bag.
Everything else was golden. <b>Golden</b>.
*sighhh*....yes, I'm done.
Rather, the mark of the Beast?
What I didn't understand was, why was destroying Smith ending the war? The purpose of killing Zion was to assimilate them into the matrix or kill them and have no more resistance. How did anything change when Smith died?
Was the Deux Ex Machina the architect in "real life" form?
Why did the matrix survive after everyone was freed? I thought machines lost their power (to a large degree) after freeing everyone?
alright, i'll accept that the machine god couldn't lie, since such a big deal is made of humans having choices and programs not (though smith made choices about destroying everything, and the mother and father programs make a choice to save their daughter who goes to live with the oracle, etc)... I still don't see exactly why it's beneficial to the matrix to allow zion to exist.
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Where do you get this 'let the Machine God delete smith' stuff from? you see tons of power flowing through those conduits into Neo's body, making him glow orange and such; you don't see a 'delete smith' command. Why would the machine god need neo to do that anyway, if that was the case, rather than just deleting him? and after that whole delete scene happens, I had to think about what a waste of time the last half hour of fight scene was -- why didn't the machine god just tell neo to let smith try to take him over so it could delete him from the start ;p and if Smith was just a mathematical error, why did the architect say to the oracle, "You played a dangerous game this time"? He's suggesting that the oracle helped orchestrate the whole smith thing...
as for the humans eating protein-meal -- well, protein is an organic product, so I'm assuming they've learned to cultivate some sort of edible bacteria or fungus that grows from geothermal energy, because all life requires an energy input... and geothermal power generally isn't sufficient to support life under normal circumstances, but it's a sci-fi movie so I guess there's no use nitpicking. It's just hard for me to envision humanity ever having the audacity/stupidity to block out the sun, even if it was powering a war against them...
alright, I needs some sleep. :>
That movie was awesome. I don't know how any real fans could NOT like it. It had everything a Matrix fan could ask for, with the exception of hardcore gunplay. Oh well.
I'll post more theory later.
Zig, are you drunk and/or high?
Anyway, I just realized the end!
OMG!
Neo and Smith are opposite sides of the unbalanced equation of the Matrix, right?
The source absorbed Neo into it once Smith took it over. In that process, the source was able to take over Smith as well. The Matrix was balanced because the Source neturalized both imbalancing factors! People would then get a choice, as well as have it work flawlessly. Smith, as a program, was brought into the source an absorbed. Neo, as a human, is brought into the source and combined with it. Thats why the Matrix didn't go all loony when Smith entered the source- he wasn't able to wreak havoc. Neo, on the otherhand, was able to restore everything.
The Oracle realizes this, and says she thinks they'll see Neo again, because Neo is everything in the Matrix now. Its very, very religious. Neo died to save everyone and in the process, became one with 'God', the Matrix.
Reloaded makes so much more sense now. You can really see how the movies fit together so nicely. Causality, choice, sacrafice. If you think while watching Revolutions, its incredibly deep. You need to view the works as a whole to grasp their meaning.
<b>edit:</b> and about all the works as a whole, that's part of what i meant too... movies A, B, and C... all different but all essential to each other. it's not a series of episodes.. it's a story. ^____^
like.. you're supposed to see him in everything, in the rainbow.. in the de ja vu kitty... everything *_*!
how romantic =]
It kept my attention better than the first two and definatley put more emphasis on philosophy than OMG LETS BLOW STUFF UP! OMG LOL!!!!11!!!1
I enjoyed that, and the fight scenes actually had a meaning, unlike in most other movies...
My favourite parts:
Piloting the hammer through the tunnels! OMG that was so freaking leet, the **** they pulled of and the sentinels!
Docks Defence! For obvious reasons
Approach to the machien city. Can you say BOOM? and Fire?
The clouds. Touching, knowing thats the first and last time trinity sees the sky.
Final Fight Scene and the whole City of Light. Good mix of action and meaning.
What i didnt like: Neo+Bane fight. Neo's about a dumb as a pole in that scene.
The comercials befor the movie. OMG get to the movie!
Just general good moments:
Neo trying to get out of the train station. the whole theater started laughing at this...I dont know why but still it feels good laughing.
Pretty much the whole movie. YAY its good! Not some cheap POS like other movies that have no point whatsoever.
9.5/10 <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
In short: It pwns see it NOW!
whoa.
It basically comes down to that Matrix 1 was mind shattering, and people expected the exact same things to be in 2 and 3. That didn't happen. I loved them, but to each their own opinion.
Lets not start flaming each other just cause they disagree.