MouseThe Lighter Side of PessimismJoin Date: 2002-03-02Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
Not wanting to jump on the bandwagon here, but <b>Legionnaired's</b> story just doesn't work for me. If I was in a similar position I'd be keeping the network surrounding the psychic quiet. I'm actually curious who (if anyone) got a PM from him. Saying you've set-up a super secret network is one thing, actually setting it up is another.
I'm not going to accuse Legion yet, I'm going to give him a chance.
Another one on my mind at the moment is Theslan however. IRC felt slightly odd, nothing conclusive. The starting bandwagon on im_lost is suspicious, but again, nothing conclusive.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 7 2005, 12:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 7 2005, 12:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I do like how Sky worked in my actual features of my real self, that was awesome. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure you're referring solely to the presence of flowing black hair.
PulseTo create, to create and escape.Join Date: 2002-08-29Member: 1248Members, Constellation
For those of you who are wondering why Saltzbad was killed, imagine if you will that he had a role. He wouldn't want to become a target, so he wouldn't start anything big until he was ready. Now, this may or may not be true, but the possibility would be enough to make him worth killing, especially if you don't have any other leads.
Yes, it's suspicious that I claim to have contact with the psychic, and that I claim to have set up a network.
Yes, it's also suspicious that I make such a big deal out of it.
Firstly, in the past few games, have networks not been things of great danger and fury? Wolves have killed to stop a network from forming in the past, and they'll do so in the future. I've already said that I sent out a batch of PMs to people who I pegged as humans, with the Deep Blue's AIM S/N. I'm fairly confident that none of those people, at all, were wolves.
So, if my story is true, then a fully fault-resistant network has been set up. The only way that it could be killed is if both I and Deep Blue were killed on the same night. The chances of killing the psychic at random are 1/18, and we have no reason to believe that the wolves and the psychopath know each other.
So also, let's remember the possibility of a botched kill. If they both picked me, then one of them would die. Since Deep Blue says there are only 3 wolves left, that's kind of a death blow if they lost another one.
In effect, not only would the wolves/psycho have to kill me, but the other one, completely independant of the others, would have to kill the psychic at random.
The odds of that happening are tiny, and the wolves/psycho know it. So, they go for other targets. Who better than Saltz, who saved the game for the humans last round?
All this considered, it's perfectly reasonable that my story checks out.
And, with that, we're left with this current round of votes. More specifically, Theslan and Petco voting for i'm lost.
Time for me to play my last cards. The original people I sent out PMs to were:
<span style='color:white'>Saltzbad, Comprox, and I'm Lost, in addition to Deep Blue him/herself</span> I've also been in constant contact with Quaunaut, I told him everything.
Look what's happened: Saltzbad got wolfed, Comprox got bandwagoned, I'm lost is getting bandwagoned this round. Quaunaut and Deep Blue were the only ones that knew the rest of the network.
Xentor pegging Theslan. Xentor getting wolfed. Saltzbad and Comprox getting lynched. I'm Lost getting hit by Theslan and Petco this round. Quaunaut picks on Theslan again, and he gets extremely defensive, almost volatile, and Q-nut eventually backs off. Nothing happens to him.
Other than that, Theslan's been quiet. Three wolves left...
Put it together. The wolves are <span style='color:red'>Quaunaut, Theslan, and Petco.</span>
My vote is for <b>Quaunaut.</b> And, my usefulness has been expended. I only hope that I got it all right. Should I live through the night, my next votes will be for Theslan and then Petco.
compelling, the logic is a little flawed of course.
The primary problem is that qua isn't the only one that knew the entire "network"
Deep blue and yourself did as well.
I'm not convinced you are a wolf however, at this point that seems unlikely.
I'm going to go with my gut, which also happens to coincide with your opinion and vote against <b>Theslan</b>.
However, I'm not yet entirely convinced of your innocence either.
It would be strange that such a thing was created by a wolf, but it would play a nice psychological ploy. I just don't feel I should vote for you, legion. But the more I go over the evidence, the more I feel you are free of guilt thus far. Not so much from your post as much as my own observations and how they relate.
Also, I thought there were 3 wolves to start with, the idea that one was killed and the amount taken <i>down</i> to 3, is odd. Not the type of mistake I would expect from a wolf, but odd. If there were 4 wolves someone correct me, yes I'm aware of the psychopath, but the pysch isn't a wolf.
To add on to what Legionnaired said, I was part of the network. I said I wasn't in IRC, and the reasoning should be clear enough. Telling everyone that I'm part of a network isn't the greatest idea when I trust the network that I am in.
I agree with Legionnaired's list for the most part. I'm moving my vote to <b>Quaunaut</b>. If it seems that Theslan or Petco are more likely to die, I will move to them instead, but I am most sure of Quaunaut right now.
Well, this is interesting. I have no idea why you decided to peg on me, except that you seem to tell me that im lost has a role. (Because you pegged Petco and me as wolves) This is good news, and therefore, I will back my vote off. Unfortunately, I don't have another candidate.
As for Quanaunt, I agree it's suspicious that he voted for me on the last vote, and haven't heard from him since. Yes, I've been trying to contact him, but so far he keeps saying that he's busy and really had no valid reason except he had sources from apparently you guys.
For now, I'll vote for <b>Quanuant</b>, since his declaration against me was pretty blatant and seems suspicious to me.
As for the rest of your story, it seems fishy. I put it there as a random vote, and that itself does not make me a wolf. Nor does the Xentor part.
Great, I didn't expect another vote on him so soon. Grrr. As much as I like to vote Quanaunt off, I want to hear his side before instanlych him. I'll like to see whether he's actually been, as Legionaire says, feeding info and acting on it, or that Legionaire devised some way to imply him.
While I feel Legionarie is close to right on this point, I can't justify having 4 votes on the guy. I'm moving my vote off to <b>CMEast</b>. Sorry buddy, but I just like you.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
Legion, I don't know about you or how secure your network was, but for all we know, Saltz may have been talking to someone else. And whats to stop the wolves from getting some random person? Saltz was smart from the beginning and everyone was wary about him, because we didn't know if he was a wolf, psychopath, or what. I know I didn't give up the network, and that I'm not a wolf.
It may not be much of a story, but I'm as much in the dark as anyone here.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
And to add a vote in my defense, its going to <b>Legionnaired</b>. His network went up and went down all in less than 8 hours. I've got a feeling he set it all up, and even if not, he got the bandwagon against me, so heres back to ya, bud.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Jun 7 2005, 05:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Jun 7 2005, 05:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 7 2005, 12:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 7 2005, 12:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I do like how Sky worked in my actual features of my real self, that was awesome. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure you're referring solely to the presence of flowing black hair. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sky did mention breasts too <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No problem Theslan, I'm happy to store temp random votes <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Don't all jump on at once though
At the moment, i don't trust either of you. What legion says makes sense, but it sounds <i>way</i> too convenient.
First of all, the network went up and then down very quickly. To me, that instantly sets off red flags. It could just be very lucky, but i doubt it. Your network expands and then contacts, killing two humans (Probably, anyway) and catching a third in a trap (again, probably).
As for comprox being voted off, he was suspected by a hell of a lot of people, not all of whom voted for him. He also had close ties with a few select people here, people who will probably end up voting for Quaunaut.
Saltzbad puzzles me, as if i was a wolf then i would have killed him off on the first night. Perhaps they didn't want a botched kill, or perhaps he was a wolf himself. Either way, he is dead now. It feels to me like you are just using him to make your network sound larger than it actually was. A dead man can't speak, after all.
If Quanaut is indeed a human, then the wolves are playing with a serious risk here. I've really been in the dark this game, and it would be brilliant if the seer/psychic could contact me (anonymously, obviously). I don't put much stock in that kind of contact, but i suppose that any information is good information, and would do a lot to validate legion's story. As it is, i am going to have to vote for <b>Legionnaired</b>. We are still quite a ways off an instalynch, so you're not in <i>too</i> much danger.
<!--QuoteBegin-TheMuffinMan+Jun 7 2005, 04:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheMuffinMan @ Jun 7 2005, 04:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> At the moment, i don't trust either of you. What legion says makes sense, but it sounds <i>way</i> too convenient.
First of all, the network went up and then down very quickly. To me, that instantly sets off red flags. It could just be very lucky, but i doubt it. Your network expands and then contacts, killing two humans (Probably, anyway) and catching a third in a trap (again, probably).
As for comprox being voted off, he was suspected by a hell of a lot of people, not all of whom voted for him. He also had close ties with a few select people here, people who will probably end up voting for Quaunaut.
Saltzbad puzzles me, as if i was a wolf then i would have killed him off on the first night. Perhaps they didn't want a botched kill, or perhaps he was a wolf himself. Either way, he is dead now. It feels to me like you are just using him to make your network sound larger than it actually was. A dead man can't speak, after all.
If Quanaut is indeed a human, then the wolves are playing with a serious risk here. I've really been in the dark this game, and it would be brilliant if the seer/psychic could contact me (anonymously, obviously). I don't put much stock in that kind of contact, but i suppose that any information is good information, and would do a lot to validate legion's story. As it is, i am going to have to vote for <b>Legionnaired</b>. We are still quite a ways off an instalynch, so you're not in <i>too</i> much danger. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My only question: When was the last time that a wolf called this much attention to himself?
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 7 2005, 02:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 7 2005, 02:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Legion, I don't know about you or how secure your network was, but for all we know, Saltz may have been talking to someone else. And whats to stop the wolves from getting some random person? Saltz was smart from the beginning and everyone was wary about him, because we didn't know if he was a wolf, psychopath, or what. I know I didn't give up the network, and that I'm not a wolf.
It may not be much of a story, but I'm as much in the dark as anyone here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You know as well as I do that after Saltz went down, there were still 3 wolves left. And come on, he's smart enough to know how to handle himself.
<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Jun 7 2005, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Jun 7 2005, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My only question: When was the last time that a wolf called this much attention to himself? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When was the last time a wolf tried to act like a wolf on purpose?
<!--QuoteBegin-CMEast+Jun 7 2005, 09:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMEast @ Jun 7 2005, 09:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Jun 7 2005, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Jun 7 2005, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My only question: When was the last time that a wolf called this much attention to himself? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> When was the last time a wolf tried to act like a wolf on purpose? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Touch'e.
Ok, bad joke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just want to say that wasn't actually an accusation, simply a disagreement with your logic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Still haven't made up my mind about you personally.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 7 2005, 02:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 7 2005, 02:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Legion, I don't know about you or how secure your network was, but for all we know, Saltz may have been talking to someone else. And whats to stop the wolves from getting some random person? Saltz was smart from the beginning and everyone was wary about him, because we didn't know if he was a wolf, psychopath, or what. I know I didn't give up the network, and that I'm not a wolf.
It may not be much of a story, but I'm as much in the dark as anyone here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is Qua's defense. Finally a response, unlike last round. So it seems to me that Qua does admit that he's been connected to Legion, and Legion has been connected to Qua. That part we can consider as true.
Let's look at the other members of Legionarie's group:
(im lost) - can we get a post confirming if he's part of this network? EDIT : I missed this, and see his post that he is connected. I also see that he agrees. So he's in the network.
(Saltzbad) - I've looked back on the forums and try to see if he's part of the network. Except for a quick change of vote and a declaration that Legionaire is 'suspicious', I don't see any connection. This could either mean he's geniunely suspicious against Legionarie, or could be pulling tricks like im lost by pretending he's not part of the network. At the moment, personally I don't know whether he was in or not, and he took that information to the grave.
(Comprox) - Let's look only at his voting and reasoning for now. He voted for Saltzbad and Breakthrough for both rounds. He states he had reasons against Saltzbad (which are pretty weak I might add), and bandwagoned Breakthrough. I don't see him connected to Saltzbad, nor Legionaire... but it could be possible that he connected during the second round with Saltzbad, and just blindly voted in the first.
What do we get out of this? Unfortunately, there's no way or telling whether Saltzbad and Comprox were part of the group base on the forums information alone. Their voting and reasoning on the forums seem against each other, but that alone can't dismiss, because if you noticed on day 2, who voted for Legionaired? Legionaire, im lost, and Saltzbad: all of which are part of this network, and one (two if you count Legionarie) which is confirmed. So they could've carefully avoided being connected to each other.
So... I'm giving Legionaire the benefit of the doubt against Quanuant, even though he jumped on accusing me. If everyone in Legionaire's network were connected, then either Legionaire, Quanuant, and im lost could've reported the info. Curious why he didn't target im lost... perhaps he told something different to him? If, on the other hand, Legionaire is manipulating two people into the network that aren't in it, he maybe setting up Quanuant, trying to gain trust. Which seems... contradictory to announcing his network.
And... let's not forget the psychopath. For all we know, he could have had a hand in this situation, and I'm not even going over there to analyze how.
So, just to keep it clear, I'm voting against <b>Quanuant</b>. While it could be true that Legionaire or anyone in the network told Quanuant to vote against me then use him as a scapegoat to gain trust, Quanuant made no post why, or how I was targetted, and who he was trusting. This is assuming that Quanuant got this info from this network.
Forgive me in advance if I make spelling errors. This is the third time I've written this and lost my post. At this point, I just want to post this and be done with it.
Sorry pal, but your interview doesn't add up with legion's, one of you is a wolf.
Legion told me in a pm that only he and quaunaut knew the identity of deep blue.
im_lost told me in an IRC pm that he and all network member's came to know the identity of deep blue over time. He also said he only knew of that through legion, this is suspect as well. He believed that qua knew the psychic before last night, and by his own admittal, doesn't know why the psychic isn't dead.
Also from that interview I believe that qua is no wolf and is being used as a scapegoat.
If legion is telling the truth and im_lost didn't know, but im_lost tried to maintain my trust in the network by telling me he did... This explains why the psychic is hopefully still alive and also explains why I'm voting against im_lost.
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Another one on my mind at the moment is Theslan however. IRC felt slightly odd, nothing conclusive. The starting bandwagon on im_lost is suspicious, but again, nothing conclusive.
For now I'll keep my eye out, no vote.
I do like how Sky worked in my actual features of my real self, that was awesome.
Voting... I'll have to think more on it. :-)
I'm sure you're referring solely to the presence of flowing black hair.
Yes, it's also suspicious that I make such a big deal out of it.
Firstly, in the past few games, have networks not been things of great danger and fury? Wolves have killed to stop a network from forming in the past, and they'll do so in the future. I've already said that I sent out a batch of PMs to people who I pegged as humans, with the Deep Blue's AIM S/N. I'm fairly confident that none of those people, at all, were wolves.
So, if my story is true, then a fully fault-resistant network has been set up. The only way that it could be killed is if both I and Deep Blue were killed on the same night. The chances of killing the psychic at random are 1/18, and we have no reason to believe that the wolves and the psychopath know each other.
So also, let's remember the possibility of a botched kill. If they both picked me, then one of them would die. Since Deep Blue says there are only 3 wolves left, that's kind of a death blow if they lost another one.
In effect, not only would the wolves/psycho have to kill me, but the other one, completely independant of the others, would have to kill the psychic at random.
The odds of that happening are tiny, and the wolves/psycho know it. So, they go for other targets. Who better than Saltz, who saved the game for the humans last round?
All this considered, it's perfectly reasonable that my story checks out.
And, with that, we're left with this current round of votes. More specifically, Theslan and Petco voting for i'm lost.
Time for me to play my last cards. The original people I sent out PMs to were:
<span style='color:white'>Saltzbad, Comprox, and I'm Lost, in addition to Deep Blue him/herself</span> I've also been in constant contact with Quaunaut, I told him everything.
Look what's happened: Saltzbad got wolfed, Comprox got bandwagoned, I'm lost is getting bandwagoned this round. Quaunaut and Deep Blue were the only ones that knew the rest of the network.
Xentor pegging Theslan. Xentor getting wolfed. Saltzbad and Comprox getting lynched. I'm Lost getting hit by Theslan and Petco this round.
Quaunaut picks on Theslan again, and he gets extremely defensive, almost volatile, and Q-nut eventually backs off. Nothing happens to him.
Other than that, Theslan's been quiet. Three wolves left...
Put it together. The wolves are <span style='color:red'>Quaunaut, Theslan, and Petco.</span>
My vote is for <b>Quaunaut.</b> And, my usefulness has been expended. I only hope that I got it all right. Should I live through the night, my next votes will be for Theslan and then Petco.
The primary problem is that qua isn't the only one that knew the entire "network"
Deep blue and yourself did as well.
I'm not convinced you are a wolf however, at this point that seems unlikely.
I'm going to go with my gut, which also happens to coincide with your opinion and vote against <b>Theslan</b>.
However, I'm not yet entirely convinced of your innocence either.
It would be strange that such a thing was created by a wolf, but it would play a nice psychological ploy. I just don't feel I should vote for you, legion. But the more I go over the evidence, the more I feel you are free of guilt thus far. Not so much from your post as much as my own observations and how they relate.
Also, I thought there were 3 wolves to start with, the idea that one was killed and the amount taken <i>down</i> to 3, is odd. Not the type of mistake I would expect from a wolf, but odd. If there were 4 wolves someone correct me, yes I'm aware of the psychopath, but the pysch isn't a wolf.
I agree with Legionnaired's list for the most part. I'm moving my vote to <b>Quaunaut</b>. If it seems that Theslan or Petco are more likely to die, I will move to them instead, but I am most sure of Quaunaut right now.
Still doesn't change the point though.
Gwahir - 1 (EMP Demon)
im lost - 2 (Theslan, Petco)
EMP Demon - 1 (CMEast)
Legionnaired - 2 (Pulse, Mouse)
Quaunaut - 2 (Legionnaired, im lost)
Theslan - 1 (Gwahir)
People left to vote
1. TheMuffinMan
7. Breakthrough
10. Cyndane
13. Quaunaut
14. Isamil
15. ZeroByte
As for Quanaunt, I agree it's suspicious that he voted for me on the last vote, and haven't heard from him since. Yes, I've been trying to contact him, but so far he keeps saying that he's busy and really had no valid reason except he had sources from apparently you guys.
For now, I'll vote for <b>Quanuant</b>, since his declaration against me was pretty blatant and seems suspicious to me.
As for the rest of your story, it seems fishy. I put it there as a random vote, and that itself does not make me a wolf. Nor does the Xentor part.
Current votes
Gwahir - 1 (EMP Demon)
im lost - 1 (Petco)
EMP Demon - 1 (CMEast)
Legionnaired - 2 (Pulse, Mouse)
Quaunaut - 3 (Legionnaired, im lost, Theslan)
Theslan - 1 (Gwahir)
People left to vote
1. TheMuffinMan
7. Breakthrough
10. Cyndane
13. Quaunaut
14. Isamil
15. ZeroByte
While I feel Legionarie is close to right on this point, I can't justify having 4 votes on the guy. I'm moving my vote off to <b>CMEast</b>. Sorry buddy, but I just like you.
Current votes:
Gwahir - 1 (EMP Demon)
EMP Demon - 1 (CMEast)
Legionnaired - 2 (Pulse, Mouse)
Quaunaut - 3 (Legionnaired, im lost, Petco)
Theslan - 1 (Gwahir)
CMEast - 1 (Theslan)
People left to vote
1. TheMuffinMan
7. Breakthrough
10. Cyndane
13. Quaunaut
14. Isamil
15. ZeroByte
It may not be much of a story, but I'm as much in the dark as anyone here.
I'm sure you're referring solely to the presence of flowing black hair. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sky did mention breasts too <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No problem Theslan, I'm happy to store temp random votes <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Don't all jump on at once though
First of all, the network went up and then down very quickly. To me, that instantly sets off red flags. It could just be very lucky, but i doubt it. Your network expands and then contacts, killing two humans (Probably, anyway) and catching a third in a trap (again, probably).
As for comprox being voted off, he was suspected by a hell of a lot of people, not all of whom voted for him. He also had close ties with a few select people here, people who will probably end up voting for Quaunaut.
Saltzbad puzzles me, as if i was a wolf then i would have killed him off on the first night. Perhaps they didn't want a botched kill, or perhaps he was a wolf himself. Either way, he is dead now. It feels to me like you are just using him to make your network sound larger than it actually was. A dead man can't speak, after all.
If Quanaut is indeed a human, then the wolves are playing with a serious risk here. I've really been in the dark this game, and it would be brilliant if the seer/psychic could contact me (anonymously, obviously). I don't put much stock in that kind of contact, but i suppose that any information is good information, and would do a lot to validate legion's story. As it is, i am going to have to vote for <b>Legionnaired</b>. We are still quite a ways off an instalynch, so you're not in <i>too</i> much danger.
Gwahir - 1 (EMP Demon)
EMP Demon - 1 (CMEast)
Legionnaired - 4 (Pulse, Mouse, Quaunaut, TheMuffinMan)
Quaunaut - 3 (Legionnaired, im lost, Petco)
Theslan - 1 (Gwahir)
CMEast - 1 (Theslan)
People left to vote
7. Breakthrough
10. Cyndane
14. Isamil
15. ZeroByte
First of all, the network went up and then down very quickly. To me, that instantly sets off red flags. It could just be very lucky, but i doubt it. Your network expands and then contacts, killing two humans (Probably, anyway) and catching a third in a trap (again, probably).
As for comprox being voted off, he was suspected by a hell of a lot of people, not all of whom voted for him. He also had close ties with a few select people here, people who will probably end up voting for Quaunaut.
Saltzbad puzzles me, as if i was a wolf then i would have killed him off on the first night. Perhaps they didn't want a botched kill, or perhaps he was a wolf himself. Either way, he is dead now. It feels to me like you are just using him to make your network sound larger than it actually was. A dead man can't speak, after all.
If Quanaut is indeed a human, then the wolves are playing with a serious risk here. I've really been in the dark this game, and it would be brilliant if the seer/psychic could contact me (anonymously, obviously). I don't put much stock in that kind of contact, but i suppose that any information is good information, and would do a lot to validate legion's story. As it is, i am going to have to vote for <b>Legionnaired</b>. We are still quite a ways off an instalynch, so you're not in <i>too</i> much danger. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My only question: When was the last time that a wolf called this much attention to himself?
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You know as well as I do that after Saltz went down, there were still 3 wolves left. And come on, he's smart enough to know how to handle himself.
When was the last time a wolf tried to act like a wolf on purpose?
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Touch'e.
/me storms off
Ok, bad joke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Just want to say that wasn't actually an accusation, simply a disagreement with your logic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Still haven't made up my mind about you personally.
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This is Qua's defense. Finally a response, unlike last round. So it seems to me that Qua does admit that he's been connected to Legion, and Legion has been connected to Qua. That part we can consider as true.
Let's look at the other members of Legionarie's group:
(im lost) - can we get a post confirming if he's part of this network?
EDIT : I missed this, and see his post that he is connected. I also see that he agrees. So he's in the network.
(Saltzbad) - I've looked back on the forums and try to see if he's part of the network. Except for a quick change of vote and a declaration that Legionaire is 'suspicious', I don't see any connection. This could either mean he's geniunely suspicious against Legionarie, or could be pulling tricks like im lost by pretending he's not part of the network. At the moment, personally I don't know whether he was in or not, and he took that information to the grave.
(Comprox) - Let's look only at his voting and reasoning for now. He voted for Saltzbad and Breakthrough for both rounds. He states he had reasons against Saltzbad (which are pretty weak I might add), and bandwagoned Breakthrough. I don't see him connected to Saltzbad, nor Legionaire... but it could be possible that he connected during the second round with Saltzbad, and just blindly voted in the first.
What do we get out of this? Unfortunately, there's no way or telling whether Saltzbad and Comprox were part of the group base on the forums information alone. Their voting and reasoning on the forums seem against each other, but that alone can't dismiss, because if you noticed on day 2, who voted for Legionaired? Legionaire, im lost, and Saltzbad: all of which are part of this network, and one (two if you count Legionarie) which is confirmed. So they could've carefully avoided being connected to each other.
So... I'm giving Legionaire the benefit of the doubt against Quanuant, even though he jumped on accusing me. If everyone in Legionaire's network were connected, then either Legionaire, Quanuant, and im lost could've reported the info. Curious why he didn't target im lost... perhaps he told something different to him? If, on the other hand, Legionaire is manipulating two people into the network that aren't in it, he maybe setting up Quanuant, trying to gain trust. Which seems... contradictory to announcing his network.
And... let's not forget the psychopath. For all we know, he could have had a hand in this situation, and I'm not even going over there to analyze how.
So, just to keep it clear, I'm voting against <b>Quanuant</b>. While it could be true that Legionaire or anyone in the network told Quanuant to vote against me then use him as a scapegoat to gain trust, Quanuant made no post why, or how I was targetted, and who he was trusting. This is assuming that Quanuant got this info from this network.
Current votes:
Gwahir - 1 (EMP Demon)
EMP Demon - 1 (CMEast)
Legionnaired - 4 (Pulse, Mouse, Quaunaut, TheMuffinMan)
Quaunaut - 4 (Legionnaired, im lost, Petco, Theslan)
Theslan - 1 (Gwahir)
People left to vote
7. Breakthrough
10. Cyndane
14. Isamil
15. ZeroByte
Forgive me in advance if I make spelling errors. This is the third time I've written this and lost my post. At this point, I just want to post this and be done with it.
Sorry pal, but your interview doesn't add up with legion's, one of you is a wolf.
Legion told me in a pm that only he and quaunaut knew the identity of deep blue.
im_lost told me in an IRC pm that he and all network member's came to know the identity of deep blue over time. He also said he only knew of that through legion, this is suspect as well. He believed that qua knew the psychic before last night, and by his own admittal, doesn't know why the psychic isn't dead.
Also from that interview I believe that qua is no wolf and is being used as a scapegoat.
If legion is telling the truth and im_lost didn't know, but im_lost tried to maintain my trust in the network by telling me he did... This explains why the psychic is hopefully still alive and also explains why I'm voting against im_lost.
Gwahir - 1 (EMP Demon)
EMP Demon - 1 (CMEast)
Legionnaired - 5 (Pulse, Mouse, Quaunaut, TheMuffinMan, Breakthrough)
Quaunaut - 4 (Legionnaired, im lost, Petco, Theslan)
im_lost - 1 (Gwahir)
People left to vote
10. Cyndane
14. Isamil
15. ZeroByte