<!--QuoteBegin-Ness-Earthbound+Nov 8 2004, 07:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Nov 8 2004, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The worst that could come from this thread is that each "side" would get a better view of how the other thinks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> actually that would be the best outcome
the worst would be that dozens of people waste their time writing, reading, and replying to essays about things which fundamentally are incorrect and only furthering the anger which exists between the two "sides" when people from each side refuse to see the views of the other
i'm just trying to point out that much of this "discussion" is nothing more than an elaborate waste of time which may generate more drama than it resolves
you can accept my advice or ignore it, because much like this thread, it doesn't <i>really</i> matter
edit: <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->all I'm saying is that the closed-mindedness of some pub communities [...] is bad... and should be fixed<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> while professing that you shall change the minds of thousands of people is very noble, in reality it's ridiculous, so please, stop throwing gas on the fire
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 8 2004, 07:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 8 2004, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am a clanner and i am all for blockscripts.
I remember when this beta first came out and we had a scrim with blockscripts on. The so called l33t players on the other team all of a sudden where crap! I mean they really played ALOT worse.
I think scripts give an unfair advantage if they didn't you wouldn't use them.. Some scripts are fine stuff like changing mouse sensetivity based on what team you go.
But pistol scripts, blink/swip, blink/meta, bunny hop, knife scripts etc etc i feel give a player an unfair advantage.
Either code these into the game so everyone has access to them or block them so everyone plays on a level playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So... you haven't actually tried scripts (anyone who's tried blink/swipe knows it sucks) or know how they work?
What clan are you in? Are you in CAL? Do you ever scrim? Want to scrim my team? We can play with consistency, blockscripts, and Cheating-Death. And we certainly won't "play ALOT worse" with mp_bs on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Australian Clan but sure we will play you..
It was just an observation i made and so did alot of other people...
The question is if these scripts are crap why use them at all?
<!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember when this beta first came out and we had a scrim with blockscripts on. The so called l33t players on the other team all of a sudden where crap! I mean they really played ALOT worse.
I think scripts give an unfair advantage if they didn't you wouldn't use them.. Some scripts are fine stuff like changing mouse sensetivity based on what team you go. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> a) This thread isn't about blockscripts b) Play terror with mp_blockscripts on c) Drop the subject
<!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 06:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The question is if these scripts are crap why use them at all? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Scripts aren't crap - they are just a method of customizing the way the game is played. The leap/bite and blink/swipe scripts are no good - virtually nobody uses them because they don't help at all. (Use one - you'll find you can do what the script does much better without the script.)
My entire driving point, though I admit I was pretty vague about getting around to what I actually meant, is that people rejecting your views or "evidence" (Which many people seem to think opinions with nothing to back them up count as) are not close-minded or ignorant, but may simply disagree with you. I don't believe that this is a huge issue in the NS community, and I don't think that two threads from two pubbing communities speak for the <b>many</b> others out there.
I probably misread your post at first, but what I'm trying to hit home with is that an opinion isn't a fact, and people like to take a stance on an issue and treat it as the only correct way, then assume that everyone else who argues against it is an ignorant little bastard. That was what I thought you were doing at first. Even though you might not have been, I still think it's something that a whole lot of people do that contributes to animosity between the different sections of a diverse community.
<!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The question is if these scripts are crap why use them at all? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right. Nobody uses them.
<!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Either code these into the game so everyone has access to them or block them so everyone plays on a level playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Considering they are part of the damn engine, talked about everywhere, easy as hell to learn, and the most used ones are posted all over the frickin forum.....how is it that some people STILL don't have access to scripts? Oh yeah, I don't script. I must obviously be uninformed, or else I would surely flock to their banner of instant skill.
Oh yeah, and I wanted to say something to Zunni's post from waaaaaay back. It's all fine and dandy to run your server how you want, not allowing spawncamping, blocking, scripting, whatever. The problem arises when a particular server or group of servers spreads all kinds of negative stories about clanners, scripts, etc. THAT'S a problem, and since it affects the entire NS community - not just a few servers - including a lot of the incoming players, it needs to be addressed. And the only way to fight misinformation is with the right information.
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Nov 8 2004, 07:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Nov 8 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> while professing that you shall change the minds of thousands of people is very noble, in reality it's ridiculous, so please, stop throwing gas on the fire <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right. I don't think I ever said "I'm gonna do this alone guys!" And I'm pretty sure that plenty of people have agreed with me.... so it's more like a bunch of NS forumgoers trying to change the minds of thousands of people. This is where I'd say maybe MLK should've given up too, that is if I wanted to be dramatic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, we seem to be making a little progress... See SageGaspar and others.
and jesus if you think it's a waste of time, then don't read it.
<!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 08:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 8 2004, 08:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 8 2004, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The question is if these scripts are crap why use them at all? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right. Nobody uses them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then why not just leave mp_bs to 1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So when do you want to have this scrim? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I said nobody uses the retarded scripts you mentioned... People do use scripts, but educate yourself please before you make accusations about how 'unfair' they are.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 8 2004, 08:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 8 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 08:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 8 2004, 08:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 8 2004, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabab+Nov 8 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabab @ Nov 8 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The question is if these scripts are crap why use them at all? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right. Nobody uses them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then why not just leave mp_bs to 1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So when do you want to have this scrim? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I said nobody uses the retarded scripts you mentioned... People do use scripts, but educate yourself please before you make accusations about how 'unfair' they are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok sure but they still use them to gain an advantage right?
Please educate me on them please i am interested to learn so i can make a more informed comment.
Go read a guide... I'm sorry but I don't have the time to post here a scripting tutorial. It will take to 10 seconds to find and 5 minutes to read I'm betting.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 8 2004, 08:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 8 2004, 08:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Go read a guide... I'm sorry but I don't have the time to post here a scripting tutorial. It will take to 10 seconds to find and 5 minutes to read I'm betting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just list the top 3 scripts you use and what they do...
there's only 2 scripts that can be considered 'unfair'
pistol scripts 3jump
Seriously just go read about this (it will take *5* minutes and you will feel good at the end! I promise), the thread isn't supposed to be about scripting and wether it's good or bad or whatever.
They can't really give an advantage, seeing that they can't do anything you wouldn't normally be able to do. Fastswitch or lastinv are just as fast as blink/swipe scripts, and more reliable imo. Also, anything open to the public, included in the game, can't give an advantage to "scripters". Anyone who thinks they give an advantage can try them out, and they will be proven wrong. Learn to script, write a leap-bite script, then see if you're any more succesful with the script than without it. Unless you have REALLY slow fingers or something, I can't see how it would make a difference.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok sure but they still use them to gain an advantage right?
Please educate me on them please i am interested to learn so i can make a more informed comment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Scripts are not neccesarily used because they give an advantage. I use the equivalent of a pistol script so I can extend the life of my mouse. You can acomplish the exact same effect with a mousewheel. Ditto for bunnyhop scripts.
Sure, I can see how some scripts could give a <i>slight</i> advantage. However, the advantage they give is so small it would rarely - if ever - affect the outcome of a game. Simply put, a person's skill in playing the game is far more important than a person's skill in scripting.
I didnt really feel like reading all the previous posts, but a lot of the time pubbers barley know the game and what it's about, so they think the game is one way when it really is a different way, thats how it was for me when I started playing, and I started late 3.0 beta 1, and I used to think that the only way to win was to turret farm every hive at 3 mins in or you would lose because marines couldnt aim or something, once I got better, and started pugging, I learned everything about the game, I didnt even get the concept of a script either until someone sent me one and I looked at it and tested it, I think a lot of people just need to learn what scripts are about and how they work before they jump to conclusions about them saying that scripts are the devil and clanners are all rambos who dont listen, half the time I dont listen in pubs is because I mute people who mic spam :/
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Indeed.
Titanium, I fully disagree. This thread has changed many minds, and may even influence the devs to comment it out, or whatever. Scripts as it is, don't affect anything much at all. For example: I myself, for all my "scripts", have only a few: Chatbinds(5 for marines, 2 for aliens), and I've binded my mousewheel to jump for easier bunnyhopping. As is, the only script I could see as detrimental is the pistol script, cause even the 3jump doesn't affect much- hell, its a known fact that mousewheel jumping is a much more effecient way to bhop anyway.
Pistol scripts overall give the problem of a insanely fast pistol kill- but at the same time, anyone notice how its incredibly easy to get pistol kills anyway? I myself tend to fire off every round out of my lmg, barely hitting it, then in 4 hits(without a pistol script) nail the sucker dead on. I think its more people complaining about how powerful the weapon is, because of their own ignorance.
Some scripts are good too, and I think should be coded into the game. For example, the fade blink switchback script. I'd like to see blink be able to work 2 ways- either by a simple button press, or as a weapon- both useable at any time(just a need to bind). Heck, I think it'd be whicked cool to see a auto-bind to weapon slot 2's space the script, so some people could just press 2 a few times to get the nice effect.
I dunno. My opinion, I guess. I went on a bit of a rant though.
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Also, I think one thing that is needed for clanners to gain the respect they deserve, is to become more active in the community. Just being around these forums gives me a good feeling about you guys- I like seeing you around, generally(back in 1.04, I remember being all over these forums, and you'd almost never see a clanner). That'll easily get you more 'props' from most pubbers. From there on out, I'd say maybe starting HLTVing your practice sessions, for the parts that you can reveal- special plans and such could have it turned off, but for someone who wants to join the clan scene, it'd be nice to watch the pros practice, learn their styles and the such.
i'm not seeing how this thread has changed any ones mind about anything
not only did it inevitably pop up another discussion about scripts in NS, but it wasn't a very prominant issue in the first place.. the issue of pubbers vs clanners in NS has existed for a very long time and cannot be remedied due to unshared interests among different players
accept that they are ignorant because <u>they want to be</u>.. if you get banned, move on
Blame the noobs not the servers. Voogru, for example, when filled with almost all regs, can be a very enjoyable server to play on. But when the retards that join it becuase it is full alot and at the top of the list, its not the servers fault.
<!--QuoteBegin-taft+Nov 8 2004, 11:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taft @ Nov 8 2004, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm not seeing how this thread has changed any ones mind about anything
not only did it inevitably pop up another discussion about scripts in NS, but it wasn't a very prominant issue in the first place.. the issue of pubbers vs clanners in NS has existed for a very long time and cannot be remedied due to unshared interests among different players
accept that they are ignorant because <u>they want to be</u>.. if you get banned, move on <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> it's not an issue of clanners vs pubbers jesus
it's about ignorant communities and their promotion of bad ideas <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cypher-+Nov 8 2004, 11:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cypher- @ Nov 8 2004, 11:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we had a few servers like the old HAMPTONs server running, clanners and good players would be alot happier...
Alot of servers I've seen that could possibly do that either get donated to NSPug or locked and only used for scrims and matches... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i put up 2 public servers long ago and both went completely empty
there aren't enough people who still like to pub to populate a "veteran" public server
i suggest you play in nspug instead, we just added 3 new servers with hltv
I suggest that you put up TF's on both boardwalk AND park place, and farm em out. Then shottie rush on reading railroad. if you hold the oranges after that the aliens will be #Scr.ewed!
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IMHO i think that when the dev team/Flayra (cant remember who) came out and said the game was to be developed or fixed for clan play it automatically caused a rift between clanners and pubbers.
The rift has just gotten bigger since that time. Yes there are alot of nice and helpful clanners but also the same amount of ignorant and disrespectful clanners too. Remember one disrespectful person can ruin everything for his/her own race/kin/group (whattever you want to call it).
Dont be surprised if it never changes. Best thing to do is to take the vet signs away and when pubbing drop the tag, yes i said drop the tag (its a sin). Sometimes you have to give some to gain some.,
Plus the Nspug pub server was a 20 man server so with a lot of good players on there it got so aliens won like 1 in 4 games, and most of the alien wins were just stacked aliens.
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Nov 9 2004, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Nov 9 2004, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Cypher-+Nov 8 2004, 11:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cypher- @ Nov 8 2004, 11:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we had a few servers like the old HAMPTONs server running, clanners and good players would be alot happier...
Alot of servers I've seen that could possibly do that either get donated to NSPug or locked and only used for scrims and matches... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i put up 2 public servers long ago and both went completely empty
there aren't enough people who still like to pub to populate a "veteran" public server
i suggest you play in nspug instead, we just added 3 new servers with hltv<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Whoa that's not your fault ****
Everyone has known since the HAMPTON days that large games have crap balance and so no one in their right mind will pub NS unless they know the other team has poor players they can overpower with skill
Otherwise on a 10v10 with equal teams, guess what marine win again and again (and again)
Of course the vets have known this since 2.01, but don't listen to them (devs), the only PT's that got added at the time were terrible at the game and probably couldn't tell the difference between a pub and clanplay
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actually that would be the best outcome
the worst would be that dozens of people waste their time writing, reading, and replying to essays about things which fundamentally are incorrect and only furthering the anger which exists between the two "sides" when people from each side refuse to see the views of the other
i'm just trying to point out that much of this "discussion" is nothing more than an elaborate waste of time which may generate more drama than it resolves
you can accept my advice or ignore it, because much like this thread, it doesn't <i>really</i> matter
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 8 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->all I'm saying is that the closed-mindedness of some pub communities [...] is bad... and should be fixed<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
while professing that you shall change the minds of thousands of people is very noble, in reality it's ridiculous, so please, stop throwing gas on the fire
I remember when this beta first came out and we had a scrim with blockscripts on. The so called l33t players on the other team all of a sudden where crap! I mean they really played ALOT worse.
I think scripts give an unfair advantage if they didn't you wouldn't use them.. Some scripts are fine stuff like changing mouse sensetivity based on what team you go.
But pistol scripts, blink/swip, blink/meta, bunny hop, knife scripts etc etc i feel give a player an unfair advantage.
Either code these into the game so everyone has access to them or block them so everyone plays on a level playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So... you haven't actually tried scripts (anyone who's tried blink/swipe knows it sucks) or know how they work?
What clan are you in? Are you in CAL? Do you ever scrim? Want to scrim my team? We can play with consistency, blockscripts, and Cheating-Death. And we certainly won't "play ALOT worse" with mp_bs on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Australian Clan but sure we will play you..
It was just an observation i made and so did alot of other people...
The question is if these scripts are crap why use them at all?
I think scripts give an unfair advantage if they didn't you wouldn't use them.. Some scripts are fine stuff like changing mouse sensetivity based on what team you go. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
a) This thread isn't about blockscripts
b) Play terror with mp_blockscripts on
c) Drop the subject
That is all.
Scripts aren't crap - they are just a method of customizing the way the game is played. The leap/bite and blink/swipe scripts are no good - virtually nobody uses them because they don't help at all. (Use one - you'll find you can do what the script does much better without the script.)
I probably misread your post at first, but what I'm trying to hit home with is that an opinion isn't a fact, and people like to take a stance on an issue and treat it as the only correct way, then assume that everyone else who argues against it is an ignorant little bastard. That was what I thought you were doing at first. Even though you might not have been, I still think it's something that a whole lot of people do that contributes to animosity between the different sections of a diverse community.
You're right. Nobody uses them.
Considering they are part of the damn engine, talked about everywhere, easy as hell to learn, and the most used ones are posted all over the frickin forum.....how is it that some people STILL don't have access to scripts?
Oh yeah, I don't script. I must obviously be uninformed, or else I would surely flock to their banner of instant skill.
Oh yeah, and I wanted to say something to Zunni's post from waaaaaay back. It's all fine and dandy to run your server how you want, not allowing spawncamping, blocking, scripting, whatever. The problem arises when a particular server or group of servers spreads all kinds of negative stories about clanners, scripts, etc. THAT'S a problem, and since it affects the entire NS community - not just a few servers - including a lot of the incoming players, it needs to be addressed. And the only way to fight misinformation is with the right information.
Right. I don't think I ever said "I'm gonna do this alone guys!" And I'm pretty sure that plenty of people have agreed with me.... so it's more like a bunch of NS forumgoers trying to change the minds of thousands of people. This is where I'd say maybe MLK should've given up too, that is if I wanted to be dramatic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, we seem to be making a little progress... See SageGaspar and others.
and jesus if you think it's a waste of time, then don't read it.
You're right. Nobody uses them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then why not just leave mp_bs to 1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So when do you want to have this scrim?
You're right. Nobody uses them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then why not just leave mp_bs to 1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So when do you want to have this scrim? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I said nobody uses the retarded scripts you mentioned...
People do use scripts, but educate yourself please before you make accusations about how 'unfair' they are.
You're right. Nobody uses them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then why not just leave mp_bs to 1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So when do you want to have this scrim? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I said nobody uses the retarded scripts you mentioned...
People do use scripts, but educate yourself please before you make accusations about how 'unfair' they are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok sure but they still use them to gain an advantage right?
Please educate me on them please i am interested to learn so i can make a more informed comment.
Just list the top 3 scripts you use and what they do...
pistol scripts
3jump
Seriously just go read about this (it will take *5* minutes and you will feel good at the end! I promise), the thread isn't supposed to be about scripting and wether it's good or bad or whatever.
Also, anything open to the public, included in the game, can't give an advantage to "scripters". Anyone who thinks they give an advantage can try them out, and they will be proven wrong. Learn to script, write a leap-bite script, then see if you're any more succesful with the script than without it. Unless you have REALLY slow fingers or something, I can't see how it would make a difference.
Ok sure but they still use them to gain an advantage right?
Please educate me on them please i am interested to learn so i can make a more informed comment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Scripts are not neccesarily used because they give an advantage. I use the equivalent of a pistol script so I can extend the life of my mouse. You can acomplish the exact same effect with a mousewheel. Ditto for bunnyhop scripts.
Sure, I can see how some scripts could give a <i>slight</i> advantage. However, the advantage they give is so small it would rarely - if ever - affect the outcome of a game. Simply put, a person's skill in playing the game is far more important than a person's skill in scripting.
As the pub vs clan issues we have none of that happening here clanners are generally well respected in pub games..
Titanium, I fully disagree. This thread has changed many minds, and may even influence the devs to comment it out, or whatever. Scripts as it is, don't affect anything much at all. For example: I myself, for all my "scripts", have only a few: Chatbinds(5 for marines, 2 for aliens), and I've binded my mousewheel to jump for easier bunnyhopping. As is, the only script I could see as detrimental is the pistol script, cause even the 3jump doesn't affect much- hell, its a known fact that mousewheel jumping is a much more effecient way to bhop anyway.
Pistol scripts overall give the problem of a insanely fast pistol kill- but at the same time, anyone notice how its incredibly easy to get pistol kills anyway? I myself tend to fire off every round out of my lmg, barely hitting it, then in 4 hits(without a pistol script) nail the sucker dead on. I think its more people complaining about how powerful the weapon is, because of their own ignorance.
Some scripts are good too, and I think should be coded into the game. For example, the fade blink switchback script. I'd like to see blink be able to work 2 ways- either by a simple button press, or as a weapon- both useable at any time(just a need to bind). Heck, I think it'd be whicked cool to see a auto-bind to weapon slot 2's space the script, so some people could just press 2 a few times to get the nice effect.
I dunno. My opinion, I guess. I went on a bit of a rant though.
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Also, I think one thing that is needed for clanners to gain the respect they deserve, is to become more active in the community. Just being around these forums gives me a good feeling about you guys- I like seeing you around, generally(back in 1.04, I remember being all over these forums, and you'd almost never see a clanner). That'll easily get you more 'props' from most pubbers. From there on out, I'd say maybe starting HLTVing your practice sessions, for the parts that you can reveal- special plans and such could have it turned off, but for someone who wants to join the clan scene, it'd be nice to watch the pros practice, learn their styles and the such.
Bravo, Nad.
not only did it inevitably pop up another discussion about scripts in NS, but it wasn't a very prominant issue in the first place.. the issue of pubbers vs clanners in NS has existed for a very long time and cannot be remedied due to unshared interests among different players
accept that they are ignorant because <u>they want to be</u>.. if you get banned, move on
Alot of servers I've seen that could possibly do that either get donated to NSPug or locked and only used for scrims and matches...
not only did it inevitably pop up another discussion about scripts in NS, but it wasn't a very prominant issue in the first place.. the issue of pubbers vs clanners in NS has existed for a very long time and cannot be remedied due to unshared interests among different players
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it's not an issue of clanners vs pubbers jesus
it's about ignorant communities and their promotion of bad ideas <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Alot of servers I've seen that could possibly do that either get donated to NSPug or locked and only used for scrims and matches... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i put up 2 public servers long ago and both went completely empty
there aren't enough people who still like to pub to populate a "veteran" public server
i suggest you play in nspug instead, we just added 3 new servers with hltv
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The rift has just gotten bigger since that time. Yes there are alot of nice and helpful clanners but also the same amount of ignorant and disrespectful clanners too. Remember one disrespectful person can ruin everything for his/her own race/kin/group (whattever you want to call it).
Dont be surprised if it never changes. Best thing to do is to take the vet signs away and when pubbing drop the tag, yes i said drop the tag (its a sin). Sometimes you have to give some to gain some.,
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Alot of servers I've seen that could possibly do that either get donated to NSPug or locked and only used for scrims and matches... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i put up 2 public servers long ago and both went completely empty
there aren't enough people who still like to pub to populate a "veteran" public server
i suggest you play in nspug instead, we just added 3 new servers with hltv<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa that's not your fault ****
Everyone has known since the HAMPTON days that large games have crap balance and so no one in their right mind will pub NS unless they know the other team has poor players they can overpower with skill
Otherwise on a 10v10 with equal teams, guess what marine win again and again (and again)
Of course the vets have known this since 2.01, but don't listen to them (devs), the only PT's that got added at the time were terrible at the game and probably couldn't tell the difference between a pub and clanplay